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hoacker
Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 89 Location: Germany, S�dhessen
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:24 pm Post subject: Comparing Zeiss 1.4/50 AEJ, Zuiko OM 1.4/50, Zuiko OM 1.8/50 |
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hoacker wrote:
Hi,
this is my first post here. After quite a while of consuming, I though it was time to participate in this forum.
It happens that I have 3 50mm lenses and I did some comparison shots with EOS 5D and 7D. If you are interested, have a look at the results. The description is in German language, but even if you don't understand that, it should be pretty clear, what I've done.
The lenses:
Zeiss Planar T* 50mm f/1.4 (C/Y), S/N 6026471, Made in Japan (AEJ)
Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-S 1:1.4/50 mm, S/N 901758
Olympus Zuiko Auto-S 1:1.8/50 mm, S/N 5628896
The tests:
1) Sharpness in frame center, EOS 7D, manual focus with liveview at 10x magnification at 1.4 / 2.0 ( 1.8 ) / 2.8 / 4.0 / 8.0
2) Vignetting on EOS 5D at 1.4 / 2.0 ( 1.8 ) / 2.8 / 4.0
3) 4) 5) Example shots with EOS 5D at 1.4 / 2.0 ( 1.8 ) / 2.8 / 4.0 / 8.0
The Pictures: Here
Please let me know, what you think about this. Medium term I'll have to get rid of one or two of those lenses (most likely the Zuikos), as I already have enough glass and a Leica R 2/50 is about to join the collection this weak. _________________ Holger
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D, 7D, 1000Da, M
Manual lenses: Zeiss Distagon 3,5/18 ZE, Nikon PC-Nikkor 28mm 1:3.5, Olympus OM 28 f/2,0, Zeiss Distagon 2/35 ZE, Leitz Summicron-R 1:2/50, Minolta MC ROKKOR 1:1.2 f=58mm (EOS-Mod), LZOS MC Jupiter-9 2/85, Meyer-Optik G�rlitz Trioplan 1:2.8/100 V (Exa), Zeiss Macro Planar 2/100 ZE, Nikon Nikkor-P.C Auto 1:2.5 f=105mm, Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 1:4,5/105, Porst Tele 1:1,8/135mm MC AUTO (M42), Cosina Auto Cosinon 135mm/2.8 (M42), Makinon MC 1:5.6 300mm Reflex, LZOS MTO 1000A 10,5/1100
AF lenses: Canon EF-S 17-55 f/2,8 IS USM, Canon EF-M 22mm 1:2 STM, Canon EF 40 f/2,8 STM, Canon EF-S 60 f/2,8 USM, Canon EF 200 1:2.8L II USM, Canon EF 500 f/4L IS USM, Canon Extender 1,4x III, Sigma 50-150/2,8 EX DC APO HSM II, Sigma 150 f/2,8 HSM, Sigma APO Tele Converter 1.4x EX DG, Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG, Kenko Extension Tubes
For sale (PM me): E.Zuiko Auto-T 1:3,5 f=100mm (Pen F), Zeiss Planar 85 f/1,4 (C/Y)
Some pictures at Flickr
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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Comparing Zeiss 1.4/50 AEJ, Zuiko OM 1.4/50, Zuiko OM 1. |
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NikonD wrote:
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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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NikonD wrote:
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Cistron
Joined: 25 Feb 2011 Posts: 238 Location: London/Vienna
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Cistron wrote:
Neat, thank you. I'm quite impressed by the Zuikos. Considering the 1.8 weighs less than 200g... |
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hoacker
Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 89 Location: Germany, S�dhessen
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:37 am Post subject: |
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hoacker wrote:
Cistron wrote: |
Neat, thank you. I'm quite impressed by the Zuikos. Considering the 1.8 weighs less than 200g... |
Yes, the 1.8 is really small and light. If there just wasn't that vignetting of the Zuikos... _________________ Holger
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D, 7D, 1000Da, M
Manual lenses: Zeiss Distagon 3,5/18 ZE, Nikon PC-Nikkor 28mm 1:3.5, Olympus OM 28 f/2,0, Zeiss Distagon 2/35 ZE, Leitz Summicron-R 1:2/50, Minolta MC ROKKOR 1:1.2 f=58mm (EOS-Mod), LZOS MC Jupiter-9 2/85, Meyer-Optik G�rlitz Trioplan 1:2.8/100 V (Exa), Zeiss Macro Planar 2/100 ZE, Nikon Nikkor-P.C Auto 1:2.5 f=105mm, Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 1:4,5/105, Porst Tele 1:1,8/135mm MC AUTO (M42), Cosina Auto Cosinon 135mm/2.8 (M42), Makinon MC 1:5.6 300mm Reflex, LZOS MTO 1000A 10,5/1100
AF lenses: Canon EF-S 17-55 f/2,8 IS USM, Canon EF-M 22mm 1:2 STM, Canon EF 40 f/2,8 STM, Canon EF-S 60 f/2,8 USM, Canon EF 200 1:2.8L II USM, Canon EF 500 f/4L IS USM, Canon Extender 1,4x III, Sigma 50-150/2,8 EX DC APO HSM II, Sigma 150 f/2,8 HSM, Sigma APO Tele Converter 1.4x EX DG, Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG, Kenko Extension Tubes
For sale (PM me): E.Zuiko Auto-T 1:3,5 f=100mm (Pen F), Zeiss Planar 85 f/1,4 (C/Y)
Some pictures at Flickr |
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exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Niederrhein, Germany
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
hoacker wrote: |
Cistron wrote: |
Neat, thank you. I'm quite impressed by the Zuikos. Considering the 1.8 weighs less than 200g... |
Yes, the 1.8 is really small and light. If there just wasn't that vignetting of the Zuikos... |
Yes, but the 1.4 Zuiko looks much better wide open than the Planar. And when shooting wideopen, main subjects are often centered.
If I were you, I'd sell the Planar and the 1.8 Zuiko
Klaus _________________ my Ebay auctions
Canon 5D II,
Fuji GW690III, Fuji G617, Fujifilm X-E1
Bessaflex TM
Tachihara 4"x5"
Summilux-R 1:1,4/50
Canon FD 85mm 1:1,2
Color-Heliar 75mm F2.5 SL
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hoacker
Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 89 Location: Germany, S�dhessen
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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hoacker wrote:
exaklaus wrote: |
the 1.4 Zuiko looks much better wide open than the Planar. |
True. Anyone can tell if the MM planar is performing better than AE?
exaklaus wrote: |
If I were you, I'd sell the Planar and the 1.8 Zuiko |
It's not that I needed to sell a lens, but the collection is growing. Just this morning a Auto Revuenon 1.4/55 did arrive, fungus on every lens element. After cleaning it's quite usable. Thursday I'll pick up a Cron 50 and a Nikkor PC Auto 2,5/105 from a dealer not too far away. So, that will be 5 manual lenses with 50/55mm focal length. How to explain this to my wife? _________________ Holger
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D, 7D, 1000Da, M
Manual lenses: Zeiss Distagon 3,5/18 ZE, Nikon PC-Nikkor 28mm 1:3.5, Olympus OM 28 f/2,0, Zeiss Distagon 2/35 ZE, Leitz Summicron-R 1:2/50, Minolta MC ROKKOR 1:1.2 f=58mm (EOS-Mod), LZOS MC Jupiter-9 2/85, Meyer-Optik G�rlitz Trioplan 1:2.8/100 V (Exa), Zeiss Macro Planar 2/100 ZE, Nikon Nikkor-P.C Auto 1:2.5 f=105mm, Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 1:4,5/105, Porst Tele 1:1,8/135mm MC AUTO (M42), Cosina Auto Cosinon 135mm/2.8 (M42), Makinon MC 1:5.6 300mm Reflex, LZOS MTO 1000A 10,5/1100
AF lenses: Canon EF-S 17-55 f/2,8 IS USM, Canon EF-M 22mm 1:2 STM, Canon EF 40 f/2,8 STM, Canon EF-S 60 f/2,8 USM, Canon EF 200 1:2.8L II USM, Canon EF 500 f/4L IS USM, Canon Extender 1,4x III, Sigma 50-150/2,8 EX DC APO HSM II, Sigma 150 f/2,8 HSM, Sigma APO Tele Converter 1.4x EX DG, Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG, Kenko Extension Tubes
For sale (PM me): E.Zuiko Auto-T 1:3,5 f=100mm (Pen F), Zeiss Planar 85 f/1,4 (C/Y)
Some pictures at Flickr |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
exaklaus wrote: |
Yes, but the 1.4 Zuiko looks much better wide open than the Planar. |
I think it's a subjective preference. As far as I am concerned, while the Zuiko looks a bit sharper in the samples, I prefer, also in these samples, the blur of the Planar, and when shooting wide open the quality of the blur is often as important as the sharpness of the subject.
Also, we are talking of empirical tests, not scientifical measurements. In empirical tests several factors may not be 100% precise, and this, in the evaluation of sharpness (but also of chromatic aberration), is critical.
Especially with modern 50mm lenses, which are all based on the same basic optical scheme, I recommend to decide based on the actual use in taking real photos. Sometimes, lenses that look better in a test, may feel worse in the hands, and may perform less satisfactorily in some real world shooting conditions (example: have you tried testing these lenses in strong backlight situations?) _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
hoacker wrote: |
Anyone can tell if the MM planar is performing better than AE?
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Mine perform the same. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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hoacker
Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 89 Location: Germany, S�dhessen
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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hoacker wrote:
Oh, don't get me wrong. I didn't do the test series to decide which one to keep and which to sell. I did the test because I had these lenses and I was curious about the results. I just wanted to share the results and discuss them.
Actually, I like the rendering of the Zeiss a bit better. Looking at the colored glass thing in the example it looks a bit more 3D to me. When I take a 50mm with me, I usually pick the Zeiss. I was a bit surprised that the Zuikos are that much sharper wide open. _________________ Holger
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D, 7D, 1000Da, M
Manual lenses: Zeiss Distagon 3,5/18 ZE, Nikon PC-Nikkor 28mm 1:3.5, Olympus OM 28 f/2,0, Zeiss Distagon 2/35 ZE, Leitz Summicron-R 1:2/50, Minolta MC ROKKOR 1:1.2 f=58mm (EOS-Mod), LZOS MC Jupiter-9 2/85, Meyer-Optik G�rlitz Trioplan 1:2.8/100 V (Exa), Zeiss Macro Planar 2/100 ZE, Nikon Nikkor-P.C Auto 1:2.5 f=105mm, Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 1:4,5/105, Porst Tele 1:1,8/135mm MC AUTO (M42), Cosina Auto Cosinon 135mm/2.8 (M42), Makinon MC 1:5.6 300mm Reflex, LZOS MTO 1000A 10,5/1100
AF lenses: Canon EF-S 17-55 f/2,8 IS USM, Canon EF-M 22mm 1:2 STM, Canon EF 40 f/2,8 STM, Canon EF-S 60 f/2,8 USM, Canon EF 200 1:2.8L II USM, Canon EF 500 f/4L IS USM, Canon Extender 1,4x III, Sigma 50-150/2,8 EX DC APO HSM II, Sigma 150 f/2,8 HSM, Sigma APO Tele Converter 1.4x EX DG, Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG, Kenko Extension Tubes
For sale (PM me): E.Zuiko Auto-T 1:3,5 f=100mm (Pen F), Zeiss Planar 85 f/1,4 (C/Y)
Some pictures at Flickr |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
What I don't like in the samples from the Zuiko wide open are the very harsh bokeh highlights. Planar's are not smooth either, but Zuiko's are just too much. I mean, always based on your samples. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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AhamB
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 733 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
Nice test, thanks for sharing. One important thing that is missing is a test for long focus distance/infinity. There the Contax will show it's magic. |
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hoacker
Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 89 Location: Germany, S�dhessen
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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hoacker wrote:
AhamB wrote: |
One important thing that is missing is a test for long focus distance/infinity. There the Contax will show it's magic. |
Well, actually, I did shoot the Zeiss for quite a bit longer than the Zuikos. There have been some longer distance shots in between and I've been very pleased with the results. If I get the chance to shoot a long(er) distance comparison, I'll post it. In the meantime I'll enjoy the Zeiss until the Cron arrives... _________________ Holger
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D, 7D, 1000Da, M
Manual lenses: Zeiss Distagon 3,5/18 ZE, Nikon PC-Nikkor 28mm 1:3.5, Olympus OM 28 f/2,0, Zeiss Distagon 2/35 ZE, Leitz Summicron-R 1:2/50, Minolta MC ROKKOR 1:1.2 f=58mm (EOS-Mod), LZOS MC Jupiter-9 2/85, Meyer-Optik G�rlitz Trioplan 1:2.8/100 V (Exa), Zeiss Macro Planar 2/100 ZE, Nikon Nikkor-P.C Auto 1:2.5 f=105mm, Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 1:4,5/105, Porst Tele 1:1,8/135mm MC AUTO (M42), Cosina Auto Cosinon 135mm/2.8 (M42), Makinon MC 1:5.6 300mm Reflex, LZOS MTO 1000A 10,5/1100
AF lenses: Canon EF-S 17-55 f/2,8 IS USM, Canon EF-M 22mm 1:2 STM, Canon EF 40 f/2,8 STM, Canon EF-S 60 f/2,8 USM, Canon EF 200 1:2.8L II USM, Canon EF 500 f/4L IS USM, Canon Extender 1,4x III, Sigma 50-150/2,8 EX DC APO HSM II, Sigma 150 f/2,8 HSM, Sigma APO Tele Converter 1.4x EX DG, Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG, Kenko Extension Tubes
For sale (PM me): E.Zuiko Auto-T 1:3,5 f=100mm (Pen F), Zeiss Planar 85 f/1,4 (C/Y)
Some pictures at Flickr |
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berraneck
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 972 Location: prague, czech republic
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 7:56 am Post subject: |
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berraneck wrote:
I am shooting with OM stuff (I have both 50/1.4 and few 50/1.8, and also 55/1.2 and scratched 50/1.2 ), but I have also tried that Planar. Well it didn´t bring better results, no doubt problem is in hands But the smallest, lightest and cheapest 50/1.8 always surprise me. Take a look at a picture, sadly it´s a bad scan from 13x18cm photo
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
I have all three fifties tested here, and all of them are truly excellent. Technically, my copy of the Planar is slightly sharper and has less CA than my copy of 50/1.4 Zuiko (past-1,1M version); the Zeiss is also a more contrasty one. However, rendering wise, I prefer Zuiko style. The 1.8 version is superb for what it is, so choosing which one to grab is always a tough call. _________________ List of lenses |
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