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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
What is the "FDn" model? Is that the model before the FD L version?


PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Amazing lens and pics! Shocked


PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
DSG wrote:
What is the "FDn" model? Is that the model before the FD L version?


That's the 'L' version...

the lens is actually here Wink

http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-85-f1-2-l-sn-14883-omar-t37706.html

tf


PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
well done, both conversion & images


PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
trifox wrote:
DSG wrote:
What is the "FDn" model? Is that the model before the FD L version?


That's the 'L' version...

the lens is actually here Wink

http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-85-f1-2-l-sn-14883-omar-t37706.html

tf


Thats the same as mine...My Favorite portrait lens. But why call it an FDn when its an FD L?


PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Omar wrote:
DSG wrote:
trifox wrote:
DSG wrote:
What is the "FDn" model? Is that the model before the FD L version?


That's the 'L' version...

the lens is actually here Wink

http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-85-f1-2-l-sn-14883-omar-t37706.html

tf


Thats the same as mine...My Favorite portrait lens. But why call it an FDn when its an FD L?


The n is for "new" FD


But you dont call the older models FD O (O for older) do you?
There is only one FD 85mm f1.2 L. The older versions being the FD 85mm f1.2 AL and the FD 85mm f1.2 S.S.C, which are easily differentiated from the L version, so adding an N prefix and ommitting the L prefix is just making things confusing IMO.


PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Omar wrote:
DSG wrote:
Omar wrote:
DSG wrote:
trifox wrote:
DSG wrote:
What is the "FDn" model? Is that the model before the FD L version?


That's the 'L' version...

the lens is actually here Wink

http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-85-f1-2-l-sn-14883-omar-t37706.html

tf


Thats the same as mine...My Favorite portrait lens. But why call it an FDn when its an FD L?


The n is for "new" FD


But you dont call the older models FD O (O for older) do you?
There is only one FD 85mm f1.2 L. The older versions being the FD 85mm f1.2 AL and the FD 85mm f1.2 S.S.C, which are easily differentiated from the L version, so adding an N prefix and ommitting the L prefix is just making things confusing IMO.


Maybe, but I didn't come up with the names or prefixes, canon did. I don't think canon knows what FD means, at least the n for new is known Very Happy
It's a great lens and that's what matters to me, FD or FDn, I can live with both.

http://www.fdreview.com/lens-review.php?itemid=74


Do have definitive evidence that Canon called the 85mm f1.2 L the "FDn" version? That link is written by a private individual, not by Canon itself, so he could be mistaken too.
I have the original box that came with one of my two L versions and there is no "FDn" prefix mentioned anywhere on it, just "FD 85mm f/1.2 L" and "FD 85mm f1.2 L".


PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
DSG is it worth arguing over a name?may be opening another thread to discuss names etc.
It takes away from Omars photos.A Google search is handy for those in doubt to what the lens is "officially" called.
A beautiful conversion and images from it.


PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
mo wrote:
DSG is it worth arguing over a name?may be opening another thread to discuss names etc.
It takes away from Omars photos.A Google search is handy for those in doubt to what the lens is "officially" called.
A beautiful conversion and images from it.


I agree this may not be the place to do it but I'm a stickler for getting the names for lenses correct.


PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi All
Just to let you know I split the discussion about the lens "title" to its own thread here.Stan sorry I did not know how to select your post to put it back into the other Topic.Thanks for understanding DSG.
The original post is
HERE


PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
DSG wrote:
Omar wrote:
DSG wrote:
trifox wrote:
DSG wrote:
What is the "FDn" model? Is that the model before the FD L version?


That's the 'L' version...

the lens is actually here Wink

http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-85-f1-2-l-sn-14883-omar-t37706.html

tf


Thats the same as mine...My Favorite portrait lens. But why call it an FDn when its an FD L?


The n is for "new" FD


But you dont call the older models FD O (O for older) do you?
There is only one FD 85mm f1.2 L. The older versions being the FD 85mm f1.2 AL and the FD 85mm f1.2 S.S.C, which are easily differentiated from the L version, so adding an N prefix and ommitting the L prefix is just making things confusing IMO.


Speaking about making things confusing: I own the FD 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical. How does that fit into the lenses you mentioned, the FD 85mm f/1.2 AL and the FD 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C.? So my lens is unique unless you omitted the "Aspherical" part? Wink


PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Omar wrote:
All over the net they call it New FD because a change in how the lens mounts onto the camera. If Canon calls it that? I don't know, will I continue calling it that, yes.


To make a long story short: yes, Canon calls it the "New FD" mount. Proof (and also watch the "nfd" part in the link below):

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/nfd/135-800.html


PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
DSG wrote:
Thats the same as mine...My Favorite portrait lens. But why call it an FDn when its an FD L?

"New FD" is Canon's name for the new style of mount and lens construction that they adopted when they replaced the breech-lock (BL) mount. The BL lenses had the silver ring to lock the lens on the camera mount and always a metal aperture ring; the nFD lenses had some internally rotating part instead of the breech-lock and a button on the lens to unlock it, and a plastic aperture ring (most/all of them?).

The "L" name wasn't used until Canon switched to the nFD style. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_FD_lens_mount#Aspherical_or_.27L.27_lenses


PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Spotmatic wrote:
DSG wrote:
Omar wrote:
DSG wrote:
trifox wrote:
DSG wrote:
What is the "FDn" model? Is that the model before the FD L version?


That's the 'L' version...

the lens is actually here Wink

http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-85-f1-2-l-sn-14883-omar-t37706.html

tf


Thats the same as mine...My Favorite portrait lens. But why call it an FDn when its an FD L?


The n is for "new" FD


But you dont call the older models FD O (O for older) do you?
There is only one FD 85mm f1.2 L. The older versions being the FD 85mm f1.2 AL and the FD 85mm f1.2 S.S.C, which are easily differentiated from the L version, so adding an N prefix and ommitting the L prefix is just making things confusing IMO.


Speaking about making things confusing: I own the FD 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical. How does that fit into the lenses you mentioned, the FD 85mm f/1.2 AL and the FD 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C.? So my lens is unique unless you omitted the "Aspherical" part? Wink


All three of them have Aspherical elements so the only differentiators we need to know are "L", "AL" and "S.S.C". Wink


PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
AhamB wrote:
DSG wrote:
Thats the same as mine...My Favorite portrait lens. But why call it an FDn when its an FD L?

"New FD" is Canon's name for the new style of mount and lens construction that they adopted when they replaced the breech-lock (BL) mount. The BL lenses had the silver ring to lock the lens on the camera mount and always a metal aperture ring; the nFD lenses had some internally rotating part instead of the breech-lock and a button on the lens to unlock it, and a plastic aperture ring (most/all of them?).

The "L" name wasn't used until Canon switched to the nFD style. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_FD_lens_mount#Aspherical_or_.27L.27_lenses


Exactly, so there is no need to add an n prefix for the L version as it is already easy to differentiate it from two previous two versions, the AL and S.S.C.


PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Spotmatic wrote:
Omar wrote:
All over the net they call it New FD because a change in how the lens mounts onto the camera. If Canon calls it that? I don't know, will I continue calling it that, yes.


To make a long story short: yes, Canon calls it the "New FD" mount. Proof (and also watch the "nfd" part in the link below):

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/nfd/135-800.html


Ok, but note that the word "New" comes before FD which means "FDn" is wrong and "NFD" is correct, though it looks wrong! Smile
I'd agree that for certain Canon FD lenses adding "New" in front of FD is probably a necessary step to differentiate them from older versions but not with the L version of the 85mm f1.2, because its the only FD L version! Wink


PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
DSG wrote:
Exactly, so there is no need to add an n prefix for the L version as it is already easy to differentiate it from two previous two versions, the AL and S.S.C.

There is also only one nFD 85/1.2 (the L), so there is no room for confusion. Wink


PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
DSG, I think you're missing the point. Perhaps on purpose.

None of the FDn or NFD or nFD designations have ever been used by Canon. They have ALWAYS referred to the New FD mount as the New FD mount. The mount itself is a separate entity from the rest of the lens when it comes to lens designation, thus it is not incorrect to call the "L" version of the 85mm f/1.2 a New FD 85mm f/1.2 L.

Here is a link to Canon's Museum, where the New FD 85mm f/1.2 L is discussed:

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/nfd/data/50-100/nfd_85_12l.html

Good enough for you?

Of the older breechlock FD models, the 85mm f/1.2 SSC Aspherical is the only one that has the f/1.2 aperture. Unlike the 55mm f/1.2, which was available as an early chrome nose, an SSC, and an SSC Aspherical. Canon also made an 85mm f/1.8 SSC, which did not have an aspherical element.

Adding letters to Canon names has been going on since before the advent of the Internet. Take the Canon FTb and F-1 as examples. The FTb was made in two versions -- generally identified as FTb and FTbn. Canon never called the later model FTbn, but anybody acquainted with that camera knows what is being discussed. With the F-1, the original model was updated in about 1976 and became known as the F-1n. Then when Canon came out with a new F-1, they called it the New F-1. So its designation is generally F-1N. So, we have F-1, F-1n, and F-1N, and those who are familiar with this camera know the differences. Canon has never used these terms to refer to its cameras, but people who use them do.

And so it goes.
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