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alex.g
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 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:14 pm Post subject: Where all those lens names comes from? |
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alex.g wrote:
Hi all,
i was wondering about all those nice name given to lenses, like: rokkor, tessar, sonnar...
Where it comes from?
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Rokkor was the brand name Chiyoda Kōgaku Seikō and subsequently Minolta used for its camera lenses. The name Rokkor is derived from Mount Rokkō (六甲), a mountain near Osaka that could be seen from Chiyoda's Mukogawa factory . it was probably also inspired by the name Nikkor used by Nippon Kōgaku from 1932. It appeared for the first time in 1940 on the 20cm f/4.5 lens of the SK-100 handheld aerial photography camera
The word Tessar is an acronym derived from the Greek word tessares meaning four. It expresses that this lens is comprised of four lens elements.
http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/EmbedTitelIntern/CLN_39_en_Tessar/$File/CLN39_en_tessar.pdf
The Sonnar is a photographic lens originally designed by Dr. Ludwig Bertele in 1924[1] and patented by Zeiss Ikon. It was notable for its relatively light weight, simple design and fast aperture. The name "Sonnar" is derived from the German word "Sonne", meaning sun. It was given this name because its large aperture (f/2.0) was much greater than many other lenses available at the time
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alex.g
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alex.g wrote:
Cool.. thanks
All those names have similar ends.
Is there any DB of all those cool names, please? |
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WolverineX
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WolverineX wrote:
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Is there any DB of all those cool names, please? |
not that i'm aware of, maybe try http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Camerapedia
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RioRico wrote:
| alex.g wrote: |
| Is there any DB of all those cool names, please? |
HA! That would be quite an undertaking! ZILLIONS of lens names exist, such as:
Apotar, Novar, Radionar, Lausar, Ensar, Solinar, Solagon, Telinear, Agnar, Skopar, Symnar, Claron, Arton, Biogon, Dagor, Artar, Raptar, Rodinar, BBAR, Takumar, Weltar, Nikkor, Westron, Sandmar, Primagon, Helioplan, Kilar, Xenar, Betavaron, Yashinon, Oreston, Dakon, Domiplan, Primotar, Cintar, Rikenon, Trioplan, Cintagon, Westar, Westagon, Ennalyt, Telemegor, Varioprox, Synchronex, Flimovara, Cinelux, Varimirax, Varob, Elmar, Elmarit, Komuranon, Omegaron, Componar, Colorstigmat, Noflexar, Culminar, Heliogon, Trioplan, Navitar, Prakticar, Sunray, Ektar, Ektanar, Biotar, Pancolor, Lithagon, Hektor, Fujinon, Varex, Amber, Trigor, Reomar, Anaston, et al.
Those are in no order (I pulled them from scratched notes and my lens DB) and are only a tiny fraction of given lens names. Yes, see Wikipedia and Camerapedia for more. But I doubt that an exhaustive list exists, especially with the etymology of the names. Hmmm, compiling such a list would be an interesting project. For someone else. Go right ahead. I had enough trouble compiling a canonical list of the name of varieties of supernatural beings. THAT was a devil of a job!
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Takumar is the name that Asahi Optical gave to its lenses, notably but not exclusively those for its own SLR cameras. Named after the Japanese craftsman Takuma Kajiwara (梶原啄磨 Kajiwara Takuma?),[1] the name adorned its lenses until 1975, when Asahi switched from the M42 screw mount to the bayonet K-mount. K-mount lenses were simply named "SMC Pentax".
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kansalliskala wrote:
Still waiting for the Serenar 70-200/2.8 L 
Explanation:
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/s/data/19-35/s_sere_28_35.html
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alex.g wrote:
and all those has (most) ...ar ending word. Why?
I was talking with Zeiss guys and they will release Planar article as a next chapter. |
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alex.g
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alex.g wrote:
.. and, we have Gauss type.. and what are the rest? The same amount of lens formulas? |
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AhamB wrote:
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and all those has (most) ...ar ending word. Why?
I was talking with Zeiss guys and they will release Planar article as a next chapter. |
I'm not sure if the -ar ending means anything. I guess not. But the -gon ending comes from the Greek "gonia", which means angle. It's mostly used for wideangle lenses for that reason (Flektogon, Biogon, etc.). |
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LucisPictor wrote:
| alex.g wrote: |
and all those has (most) ...ar ending word. Why?
I was talking with Zeiss guys and they will release Planar article as a next chapter. |
That's a phonetic trick to make it sound special, connected to technology and science.
The "-gon" suffix derives from Greek γωνία [gÅnía] = "angle".
"Bio-" (as in "Biotar") derives from the word for "life" and refers to "light" (as in a "fast lens") here. The same is true for "Sonn-ar" which comes from Germen "Sonne" (= "sun").
"Flek-" mean "to bend", so a "Flektogon" is a lens that bends angles. 
"Plan-" (as in "Planar") refers to the plane level of the image circle.
"Tess-" derives from Greek τέσσαρες (="four").
Some lens names, such as the "Dagor", were derived from real names, here: "Doppelanastigmat Goerz" and the phonetic addition "-r" again.
So, most lens names can be traced back to some meaning. I am sure that some of the Japanese names can as well, but since I do not know any Japanese word other than "bokeh"  I cannot help here.
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mo wrote:
This is a fascinating thread...thanks guys!
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Spotmatic wrote:
Leitz Hektor: the lens designer Max Berek named the lens after his dog, Hektor. Supposedly the Elmax was named after Max Berek, while the Summarex was named after Mr. Berek's other dog, Rex. This is all from memory though
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kansalliskala wrote:
About Russian names:
http://forum.mflenses.com/what-is-tair-t9999.html
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| Takumar is the name that Asahi Optical gave to its lenses, notably but not exclusively those for its own SLR cameras. Named after the Japanese craftsman Takuma Kajiwara (梶原啄磨 Kajiwara Takuma?),[1] the name adorned its lenses until 1975, when Asahi switched from the M42 screw mount to the bayonet K-mount. K-mount lenses were simply named "SMC Pentax". |
just seen a commercial for Mazda car that uses term Takumi for makers of samurai swords...maybe Takumar is derivated from that term  as Takumar lens sharp as samurai sword
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| This is a fascinating thread...thanks guys! |
+1
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alex.g wrote:
i love you guys
Attila, please do we have wiki engine here? Mediawiki has addon to integrate phpbb users to be auth vice-versa. Let me start lens names wiki |
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koji wrote:
Just read the book "A History of the Photographic Lens" by Rudolf Kingslake,
there are all the names of classical and some modern lenses. At the end of
his book, there are brief description and photo of the famous people in
the history of lens making, it is quite interesting.
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Nesster wrote:
Sounds like a very interesting book, thanks for the mention.
Personally I think the -ar suffix comes from "ARE you going to buy them all?!" And ARmageddon all of them! And if Spouse Finds Out, ARmagedding out of the house...
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LucisPictor wrote:
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Personally I think the -ar suffix comes from "ARE you going to buy them all?!" And ARmageddon all of them! And if Spouse Finds Out, ARmagedding out of the house... |
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There are the 'classical' lens-type names; and there are the well-known branded names; but there are also kinky proprietary names that any dinky glass-caster could (and did) bestow upon their paltry products. Thus do we see Reomar and Optimar and Cleotar and Luxogon. As for the 'ar' suffix, I blame Zeiss. They had a success with the Tessar, and others copied.
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my_photography wrote:
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| This is a fascinating thread...thanks guys! |
+1 |
+2. Great stuff. Back in history lane.
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| +2. Great stuff. Back in history lane. |
Well, we need some more contributions then! More names, more names! I tossed in a few dozen. Everybody, do your part! Vitalize the history! Find lists of obscure lens names and post them here!
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