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kawasakiguy37
Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Posts: 132
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:45 am Post subject: 75-150 Nikon E versus otheres? |
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kawasakiguy37 wrote:
Just picked up a 75-150 series E nikkor and I am really pleased with the optics. However, Ive heard that there are other comparable lenses (made by kiron) that are lighter and smaller. I bought this lens specifically because I wanted something very light and small for hiking use on an FM2 - Any other recommendations?
My current plan was to use this + my 35 2.0 (AF) for outdoors stuff. _________________ Nikkor
75-150 series E
105 2.0 DC
28 2.0 AIS
T-mount bellows + Spiratone 75mm Flat Field macro
300 4.0 CZJ F |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
The Series E 75-150mm f/3.5 has gained something of a cult following among portrait photographers because it incorporates all the most popular focal lengths used for portraits in 35mm photography, because it's a reasonably sharp optic, and because it could often be bought for a reasonable sum. Nikon also made a Nikkor 50-135mm f/3.5, which historically sold for more on the used market, but these days this doesn't seem to apply. It too was very popular for the same reason as the 75-150 series E, but was more sturdily constructed. I don't know dimensions, but it might be a bit smaller.
My listings show a Kiron 70-150mm f/4, but I don't know anything about it. Found a few on eBay. It sure sells for a lot less than the Nikons on eBay.
Vivitar also marketed two different 70-150mm f/3.8s -- one was a two-ring made by Kiron, and the other was a one-touch, made by Tokina. Size wise, it's hard to tell. Like the Kiron, the Vivitars are also quite reasonably priced. _________________ Michael
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Andrew G.
Joined: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 159 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Andrew G. wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
Vivitar also marketed two different 70-150mm f/3.8s -- one was a two-ring made by Kiron, and the other was a one-touch, made by Tokina. Size wise, it's hard to tell. Like the Kiron, the Vivitars are also quite reasonably priced. |
At least three, actually. Kiron made two versions, one and two-touch. Tokina also made a two-touch TX version, which is a little more difficult to find. |
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kawasakiguy37
Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Posts: 132
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: |
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kawasakiguy37 wrote:
Ive heard both the Kiron and Vivitar "versions' of the 70-150 dont exhibit zoom creep. However, the kiron is rated 4.09 and the vivitar 3.8. Is this really any different than the 3.5 of the nikon or just marketing?
Also, anyone know if the kiron / vivitar turn in the same direction as the nikons or if they are opposite? _________________ Nikkor
75-150 series E
105 2.0 DC
28 2.0 AIS
T-mount bellows + Spiratone 75mm Flat Field macro
300 4.0 CZJ F |
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Andrew G.
Joined: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 159 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Andrew G. wrote:
kawasakiguy37 wrote: |
However, the kiron is rated 4.09 and the vivitar 3.8. Is this really any different than the 3.5 of the nikon or just marketing? |
The difference between f/3.5 and f/4 is only a third of a stop, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Series E really was a bit slower than advertised.
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Also, anyone know if the kiron / vivitar turn in the same direction as the nikons or if they are opposite? |
Like most 3rd party offerings, the focus ring turns the opposite direction than that of Nikon (or Pentax). Although there are a few exceptions, only Tokina's own lenses were really geared towards meeting the exact specifications of the OEM. |
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
There were all sorts of stories about the Series E 70-150 when it was being made. e.g. Nikon didn't make it (or any of the other E lenses), the first versions without the bright metal 'gripping ring' were inferior to the later ones, and neither of them were any good anyway. But the late Herbert Keppler writing in Modern Photography magazine said it was as good a 70-150 as he'd ever seen. And he'd seen a few.
The Kiron is a bit smaller, but not much lighter. I have one which is somewhat misted up and therefore lacking contrast, but I think a clean one would be excellent. However, I'd prefer the 70-150 Series E for myself. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3439 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
Tamron 20AB lens 70-150mm 3.5 is a nice rather compact lens IMHO. Close focusing (0.7m). A bit soft wide open, but closing one stop is sufficient to get a good sharpness.
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Gurdie
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 997 Location: Finland
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Gurdie wrote:
I´ve got both 70-150 E and 50-135/3.5 Nikkor. Both are very good performers, but the 50-135 is much bigger and heavier, 62 mm filter ring.
Here´s some 50-135 samples:
http://forum.mflenses.com/zoom-nikkor-50-135mm-f-3-5-ai-s-samples-t19421.html _________________ Markku
Give me two hours a day of activity, and I'll take the other twenty-two in dreams.
― Salvador Dali
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f6cvalkyrie
Joined: 23 Sep 2009 Posts: 131 Location: near Brussels, Belgium
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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f6cvalkyrie wrote:
Hi,
I think the Series E 75-150 is a good performer, but mine suffers from "zoom creep". And I heard many others also do
C U,
Rafael _________________ E-M1 E-M5 G1 mod to Full Spectrum
far too many lenses |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I've found many Nikon one-touch zooms to be really bad about zoom creep. My 80-200 f/4.5's zoom/focusig collar shows almost no resistance. Creep? Mine has acceleration! But you know what? It's not a big deal to me. When I need the zoom ring to stay put, I'll use either a wide rubber band or a piece of tape to keep it from moving. _________________ Michael
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kawasakiguy37
Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Posts: 132
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:42 am Post subject: |
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kawasakiguy37 wrote:
Yea Im gonna use the lens mainly for hiking and walk around stuff, so almost all handheld. Zoom creep shouldnt be an issue. I have my 35 and 180 AF primes when I want to eliminate "zoom" creep completely _________________ Nikkor
75-150 series E
105 2.0 DC
28 2.0 AIS
T-mount bellows + Spiratone 75mm Flat Field macro
300 4.0 CZJ F |
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dof
Joined: 04 Feb 2009 Posts: 339 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:34 am Post subject: |
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dof wrote:
Why not just get a 135mm like the 135/2.8 AIS? It's compact and sharp
and close enough to a 75-150mm focal length +/- one step forward or back. |
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kawasakiguy37
Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Posts: 132
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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kawasakiguy37 wrote:
Specifically looking for a zoom. I already have three good primes so theyre out of the question. My 105 2.0 does everything I need it to for around that focal length _________________ Nikkor
75-150 series E
105 2.0 DC
28 2.0 AIS
T-mount bellows + Spiratone 75mm Flat Field macro
300 4.0 CZJ F |
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Russ
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 432
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Russ wrote:
You're going to be very pleased with the results from your Nikon E 75-150 (made by Kiron, for Nikon) for Nikon. I prefer the considerably smaller and better built Kiron 70-150 lens. The two are completely different lens designs. However, the Kiron is smaller, better built and every bit as sharp as the Nikon equivalent. The Nikon E 75-150 is known for it's horrendous zoom creep. On a couple of occasions, I've tested them side by side, and upon glassing the negs and slides (10x loupe on light table) and perusing the LARGE prints made with them, I can see no difference in image quality. The Kiron comes with a dedicated lens hood too.
Russ (Kiron Kid) _________________ 'A photograph that mirrors reality, cannot compare to one that reflects the spirit"
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
I have tried the one-touch Kiron version and the Vivitar made by Kiron, they appear to be the same basic lens underneath.
They are both very sharp but I find the focusing to be incredibly sensitive to the very smallest of adjustments, you really have to be very delicate with your movements to get a sharp image. I'm sure many an unseasoned user will have missed this and just assumed the lenses were soft.
I have also tried the Kiron made, Vivitar branded two-touch version which seemed to be just as sharp and a little bit easier to focus. _________________ - Dave
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Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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papah
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 12 Location: Seattle, USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:05 am Post subject: Nikkor 75-150mm zoom creep fix |
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papah wrote:
Here is a fix for the Nikkor 75-150mm zoom creep:
http://photo.net/bboard/uploaded-file?bboard_upload_id=32348784
It's a very sharp lens, and performs very well with the D3 and D3x full-frame cameras. _________________ Bruce Hemingway
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Arninetyes
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Arninetyes wrote:
fatdeeman wrote: |
They are both very sharp but I find the focusing to be incredibly sensitive to the very smallest of adjustments, you really have to be very delicate with your movements to get a sharp image. I'm sure many an unseasoned user will have missed this and just assumed the lenses were soft. |
Yeah, I guess they are, but hadn't noticed until my wife brought it up. Picked up a D40 for her, so I added a chip and contact block to the 75-150 (it really is a very nice match for the D40). First time out, she complained that it was too hard to focus.
I said, "You have to turn that ring". My comment wasn't well received. |
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