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Olivier
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: Steinheil Cassaron and Schneider Kreuznach tele xenar 135 |
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Olivier wrote:
Well... I got these 2 old lenses and an old Chinon flash for 10 € + delivery costs (7€).
They are not mint, externally full of dust, but optics are clear, no fungus, no haze. Focus rings work well. But aperture rings are hard to operate and don't open fully. It seems that the A/M pins are disturbing the good functioning.
1- Schneider Kreuznach Edixa-Tele-Xenar 3.5/135
My first Schneider !
With what tool may I service the front ?
2- Steinheil München Edixa-Auto-Cassaron 2.8/50
What does Edixa mean ?
What do you think about these lenses ? Any experiments ? _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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bmwtraveler
Joined: 07 Aug 2010 Posts: 23 Location: Bakersfield,Ca
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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bmwtraveler wrote:
Edixa was made by Wirgin Kamera works,not the best made,they didnt make any lens,they brought them from other len makers,Steinheil cassaron was soso,stop down pretty good,Schneider lens top of the line |
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
Edixa was the SLR brand of Adox. West German, but no better than the Praktica in design and production quality - at times indeed worse.
The lenses are somewhat basic, ok for their (slow speed) but by no means the top performer of their type. And they doubtlessly need a cleaning. It will be hard to disassemble the Tele-Xenar with a front ring which is that severely bent - you might have to dremel it apart, which means that you'd have to find another copy with bad or missing glass but good barrel, to put it into. _________________ Sevo |
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Seele
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 742 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
Sevo wrote: |
Edixa was the SLR brand of Adox... |
Not quite:
http://www.kl-riess.dk/gewir.html |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I had a Rikenon lens that was damaged as bad as that on the filter thread and I stuck the whole lens in a lathe and turned the damaged part off back to a decent thread so I could screw the name ring out and clean the lens.
Then I used a scrap lens with a larger filter thread size, turned a section off that on the lathe, and fixed it on the front of the Rikenon lens I wanted to salvage with epoxy resin.
Sadly, after all that effort, the lens was crap anyway! _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
Many thanks - a fascinating story. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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indianadinos
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 1310 Location: Toulouse, France
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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indianadinos wrote:
Hi,
The filter ring on the Xenar could be fixed with a chopstick: put the lens on a wooden support and, using an hammer VERY GENTLY, hit with the chopstick the inner side of the filter ring ... It will take some time to get fixed, but it can be done.
Otherwise, you can use something like this dent remover ...
For what concerns the IQ of the lenses, i have never used one of them, but my two Steinheil Edixa-Quinar 135/2.8 and 135/3.5 are incredibly sharp even wide open and, if i remember well, there has been a forum user who published some great pics taken with a Tele-Xenar 135/3.5 here ...
Cheers _________________ Please visit my blogs Shooting with a Pentax K10D / FF Visions
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Pentax-K: M28/2.8, K28/3.5, M50/1.4, A50/1.7, M50/4 Macro, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, K135/2.5, M200/4, M70-150/4
Zeiss: Flektogon 20/2.8, 20/4, 35/2.4, 35/2.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Biotar 58/2, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer: Primagon 35/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Orestor 135/2.8
Schacht/Steinheil: Travenar 90/2.8, Travenon 135/4.5, Quinar 135/2.8, Quinar 135/3.5
Russian: MIR 37B, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 44M & 44M-2, Jupiter 37A
P6: Flektogon 50/4, Biometar 80/2.8, Orestor 300/4
Nikkor: Nikkor-O 35/2, Micro 55/3.5, Nikkor-S 50/1.4, Nikkor-Q 135/2.8
Fuji: EBC 28/3.5, EBC 55/3.5 Macro, EBC 135/2.5
Misc Lenses: Kiron 105/2.8 Macro, Tamron SP90/2.5
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5078 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
indianadinos wrote: |
The filter ring on the Xenar could be fixed with a chopstick: put the lens on a wooden support and, using an hammer VERY GENTLY, hit with the chopstick the inner side of the filter ring ... It will take some time to get fixed, but it can be done.
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Thank you, Dino.
In french, could you translate chopstick ?
The Schneider Kreuznach is sharp.
Weather is not good but I made few quick test shots...
I think that Alessandro took some very good shots with the Tele-Xenar.
Is the Edixa one the same optical design ? _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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indianadinos
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 1310 Location: Toulouse, France
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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indianadinos wrote:
Olivier wrote: |
Thank you, Dino.
In french, could you translate chopstick ?
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Ouaip, chopstick = baguette chinoise (de préférence, celles en bambou plutôt que celles en plastique) ...
Olivier wrote: |
Is the Edixa one the same optical design ?
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I think so, if i remember well, but i'm not a Schneider lenses guru ... _________________ Please visit my blogs Shooting with a Pentax K10D / FF Visions
Takumar: 24/3.5, 28/3.5, 35/2, 35/3.5, 50/1.4, 55/1.8, 85/1.8, 105/2.8, 120/2.8, 135/3.5, 150/4, 200/4
Pentax-K: M28/2.8, K28/3.5, M50/1.4, A50/1.7, M50/4 Macro, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, K135/2.5, M200/4, M70-150/4
Zeiss: Flektogon 20/2.8, 20/4, 35/2.4, 35/2.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Biotar 58/2, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer: Primagon 35/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Orestor 135/2.8
Schacht/Steinheil: Travenar 90/2.8, Travenon 135/4.5, Quinar 135/2.8, Quinar 135/3.5
Russian: MIR 37B, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 44M & 44M-2, Jupiter 37A
P6: Flektogon 50/4, Biometar 80/2.8, Orestor 300/4
Nikkor: Nikkor-O 35/2, Micro 55/3.5, Nikkor-S 50/1.4, Nikkor-Q 135/2.8
Fuji: EBC 28/3.5, EBC 55/3.5 Macro, EBC 135/2.5
Misc Lenses: Kiron 105/2.8 Macro, Tamron SP90/2.5
... and a few other Vivitar, Tamron, Sigma and Soligor lenses ...
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Yes, same lens, Edixa is just the name of a camera, like if Zeiss did write "Rolleiflex" on the lenses they made for the Rollei system. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Univer
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 282
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Univer wrote:
Hi,
There's one little complication with respect to automatic lenses made specifically for the Edixa cameras. While they're normal M42 screw mount, the location of the auto-aperture pin is sometimes different from the "standard" placement. On my one Edixa-specific lens, a Steinheil 135mm, the pin is further "inboard" than it is on, say, a CZJ or Takumar lens.
In practice, this seems not to be a terribly big issue with respect to M42 film cameras, because the bar that depresses the pin is typically large enough to accommodate the slightly non-standard pin placement. And, of course, use on a DSLR is not an issue either, as long as the lens has an A/M switch. But if you're using a flanged adapter to depress the auto pin of a lens that lacks an A/M switch, you may find (as I did) that the flange just misses the pin.
A little thing, as I said, and likely not an issue in this case, since your Cassaron seems to have an A/M switch. But it's something to be aware of, in the event that you come across other automatic "Edixa" lenses.
Enjoy the lenses! (Looking forward to samples.)
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Steinheil and Schneider are big names in German lens manufacturing!!
Congrats! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
indianadinos wrote: |
Olivier wrote: |
Thank you, Dino.
In french, could you translate chopstick ?
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Ouaip, chopstick = baguette chinoise (de préférence, celles en bambou plutôt que celles en plastique) ...
Olivier wrote: |
Is the Edixa one the same optical design ?
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I think so, if i remember well, but i'm not a Schneider lenses guru ... |
I'm not a schneider guru, but I know that in the schneider history there were two versions of the 135/3,5 lens. The first, with 4/4 scheme and the second with 5/4 one. I shall look for the bibliography (in paper and/or the net) top complete the info.
The first of all I shall said that your scneider is a lens made from october 1967 and november 1968.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Oh...I find one official advertice of edixa cams and lenses, made in 1968. They were showing the new (at the time) Edixa prismaflex mat D (as was known in Argentina). And the schneider lenses for it were atwo curtagons :4/28 and 2,8/35, a xenar 2,8/50, a xenon 1,9/50 and a tele xenar 3,5/135.
The 3,5/135 had a 5/4 (3-3) (2-1) scheme, and it's your lens. I don't know the schame of the Alessandro one.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Phenix jc
Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 398 Location: France
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Phenix jc wrote:
Le monde est petit Je crois bien que j'ai oublié d'enchérir, et il semble me souvenir que ça vient de Marseille ? J'aurais comparé le Cassaron au Xenar.
Un lien de Peter Ganzel pour la réparation :
http://www.pbase.com/pganzel/diy_straightening_lens_filter_rings
(sorry) _________________ "Plonger les choses dans la lumière, c'est les plonger dans l'infini" Léonard De Vinci
f/1.2 club Zuiko : 50/1.2, 55/1.2 Rokkor : 50/1.2, 58/1.2 Nikkor : 50/1.2, 55/1.2 Third Party : Porst(Fujinon-X) 50/1.2, Porst 55/1.2 Canon : S 50/1.2, nFD 50/1.2, FL 55/1.2, R 58/1.2, nFD 85/1.2 Hexanon : 57/1.2 Nokton : 50/1.1 |
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5078 Location: France
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Thank you Rino for the Information,
and Dino for chopstick translation.
Univer, you're absolutely right. The pins have more centered locations and the flange reach only half part of them.
Phenix, ce n'était pas une enchère et ça ne vient pas de Marseille.
Merci beaucoup pour le lien.
Very good link !
What do you mean when you say Cassaron = Xenar ? Is it as good as Xenar ? _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5078 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Well,
I opened the Tele-Xenar to try to fix the stuck diaph ring.
I didn't see clearly what's wrong. I'm wondering how to supress the A/M system and make the diaph fully manual, moving straightly with the ring.
The helicoid went out.
It's easy to put it back in place... but what is the right position ???
Thank you for kind help. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Olivier wrote: |
Well,
I opened the Tele-Xenar to try to fix the stuck diaph ring.
I didn't see clearly what's wrong. I'm wondering how to supress the A/M system and make the diaph fully manual, moving straightly with the ring.
The helicoid went out.
It's easy to put it back in place... but what is the right position ???
Thank you for kind help. |
Is this any use ?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkku/612516644/in/set-72157600018767343/
I just stumbled across it and remembered this post. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
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Phenix jc
Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 398 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:59 am Post subject: |
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Phenix jc wrote:
Olivier wrote: |
Thank you Rino for the Information,
and Dino for chopstick translation.
Univer, you're absolutely right. The pins have more centered locations and the flange reach only half part of them.
Phenix, ce n'était pas une enchère et ça ne vient pas de Marseille.
Merci beaucoup pour le lien.
Very good link !
What do you mean when you say Cassaron = Xenar ? Is it as good as Xenar ? |
(Zeus ! J'étais sûr de les avoir sélectionné sur la vilbay et dans cet état en plus)
Precisely, I don't know as I haven't the Steinheil Cassaron ; But the Xenar is one of my favorite : Colors and bokeh are fantastic whatever the aperture is ;
I'm still in love with f1.2 lenses, but I'm wondering if my f2.8 lenses are not my favorite, now
(an illustration - G1)
_________________ "Plonger les choses dans la lumière, c'est les plonger dans l'infini" Léonard De Vinci
f/1.2 club Zuiko : 50/1.2, 55/1.2 Rokkor : 50/1.2, 58/1.2 Nikkor : 50/1.2, 55/1.2 Third Party : Porst(Fujinon-X) 50/1.2, Porst 55/1.2 Canon : S 50/1.2, nFD 50/1.2, FL 55/1.2, R 58/1.2, nFD 85/1.2 Hexanon : 57/1.2 Nokton : 50/1.1 |
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