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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: Helios 40 lenses: do they all not focus beyond 30 metres? |
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dude163 wrote:
Hi there
do all H 40 lens have a problem with focusing beyond 30 metres? or is it only the first silver ones that are converted from m39 to M42 that have this problem?
Thanks _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
my flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverviewfoto/
Vintage lens blog : http://dude163.blogspot.com/
500px : http://500px.com/roberttwilson |
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rawhead
Joined: 09 Feb 2009 Posts: 1525 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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rawhead wrote:
It might not be the lens but the adapter. What kind of adapter are you using? A fraction of a millimeter difference could translate to not being able to focus to infinity... _________________ Sony α7R, Pentax 67II, Kiev-60, Hasselblad 203FE, 903SWC, Graflex Norita 66, Mamiya M645 1000s, Burke & James 8x10, Graflex Pacemaker Speed Graphic (4x5 and 3x4), Century Graphic (2x3), R.B. Graflex Seried D, Rolleiflex SL66E, Rolleiflex 2.8C Xenotar, Mamiya C330f, a few M42, six P6, three OM, four Hasselblad, two Pentax 67, two Mamiya 645, one Noritar, and a sprinkle of EF. Oh, and an Aero Ektar and Leica Noctilux |
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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1693 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
i have helios 40-2, so that's m42 version and i don't have problem of focusing to infinity, maybe it is problem with your lens, maybe it needs to be adjusted? maybe members that have the silver version (m39) can tell you more _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
http://forum.mflenses.com/wolverinex-testing-my-lenses-series-link-list-t39524.html |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
rawhead wrote: |
It might not be the lens but the adapter. What kind of adapter are you using? A fraction of a millimeter difference could translate to not being able to focus to infinity... |
+1 this is most possible reason. ( I did never shoot with any of my 85mm lenses to infinity distance) _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
Actually its not my lens, yet!
Its on ebay and its a silver one converted to M42 I believe
is Ebay the only place to get a Helios 40? noone here has one for sale? _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
my flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverviewfoto/
Vintage lens blog : http://dude163.blogspot.com/
500px : http://500px.com/roberttwilson |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Rare lens I guess one was on sale from Hari , just a few days before. Perhaps not sold yet. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
It was, I missed it by 30 minutes _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
my flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverviewfoto/
Vintage lens blog : http://dude163.blogspot.com/
500px : http://500px.com/roberttwilson |
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Joosep
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 305 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Joosep wrote:
Yup. With the regular adapter youll get a difference of 0,3 mm.
Enough to lose the infinity on my Spotmatic. _________________ The future is analogue.
23 cameras, 25 lenses and counting. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
dude163 wrote: |
It was, I missed it by 30 minutes |
pretty bad... I think this lens is really good for portraits , think about you really need infinity ? _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Joosep
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 305 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Joosep wrote:
Attila wrote: |
dude163 wrote: |
It was, I missed it by 30 minutes |
pretty bad... I think this lens is really good for portraits , think about you really need infinity ? |
This lens is not for infinity use. Trust me. _________________ The future is analogue.
23 cameras, 25 lenses and counting. |
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
Probably not, I was going to use it for portraits , but my wife is a little worried bout dropping 300 euros on a lens that doesnt work properly on my K-X _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
my flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverviewfoto/
Vintage lens blog : http://dude163.blogspot.com/
500px : http://500px.com/roberttwilson |
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Joosep
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 305 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Joosep wrote:
dude163 wrote: |
Probably not, I was going to use it for portraits , but my wife is a little worried bout dropping 300 euros on a lens that doesnt work properly on my K-X |
The lens is awesome.
But not worth a home riot. _________________ The future is analogue.
23 cameras, 25 lenses and counting. |
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
The one thing in my favour is that if I grabbed helios 40 , I can easily resell it here inN America fro what I paid for it, so its not such a high risk proposition
my lenses jump from my helios 44 58mm to my 135mm takumar, I just needed something in the middle for portraits that was a bit faster , plus a Silver Helios on a white K-X would look badass _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
my flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverviewfoto/
Vintage lens blog : http://dude163.blogspot.com/
500px : http://500px.com/roberttwilson |
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Joosep
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 305 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Joosep wrote:
In my oppinion it doesnt really fill that hole...
In my collection the Jupiter 9 fills it better.
The Helios is like a "special" kid in an elementary class.
Everyone else is doing ok, some are struggling in class "wide open", but finally they grow up.
With the Helios, you never want to grow up... Its just so special, Im in love with it !
Just get it. If you dont like it. Sell it.
I will never sell mine, taking it to the grave ! _________________ The future is analogue.
23 cameras, 25 lenses and counting. |
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
Its strange you mention that
my wife just said,
" hey , this Jupiter 9 looks to be similar, but its f2 not f1.4 and 200 euros cheaper"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270628903628&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT"
Ill see how high my auction goes on the helios 40, if its too high, Ill grab a jupe 9 _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
my flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverviewfoto/
Vintage lens blog : http://dude163.blogspot.com/
500px : http://500px.com/roberttwilson |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This is a strange lens, looks like heavily tampered I don't think so good idea to take it. 300 EUR is a lot for Helios 40 I guess you can buy around 200 maximum with a little patient. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
Thanks Attila
I was just showing the link my wife sent me, Ill keep looking , and you are right, with a bit of patience, I can get a Helios and something else
I found some incredible shots on flickr taken with the Helios, they look like photos taken in a dream , and its not just one photographer either, its on quite a few different pages, so I assume the ethereal quality is the lens not the PP used.
Thank you all for all the help and advice, I am really enjoying my trip into manual lenses and manual usage of my New K-X , I feellike I have learned more about photo the last 4 months than I have in teh last 4 years! _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
my flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverviewfoto/
Vintage lens blog : http://dude163.blogspot.com/
500px : http://500px.com/roberttwilson |
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Joosep
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 305 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Joosep wrote:
The J-9 is a good lens. At F4 its SOO sharp.
The H-40 is just SOOO special.
My H-40 topic and J-9 topic. _________________ The future is analogue.
23 cameras, 25 lenses and counting. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Both are great lens, look from both earliest as possible , right after war they made from Zeiss glass by Zeiss people in captivity. In my experience early Russian glasses are better than later ones. We had an optical factory here MOM what was closed in middle of 60th because Russians start to deliver crappy optical glasses only. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Joosep
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 305 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Joosep wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Both are great lens, look from both earliest as possible , right after war they made from Zeiss glass by Zeiss people in captivity. In my experience early Russian glasses are better than later ones. We had an optical factory here MOM what was closed in middle of 60th because Russians start to deliver crappy optical glasses only. |
Well no and no.
Later russian mass made lenses arent really good, but some are really better then the first ones ones.
The biggest change for the best is with the Tair-11.
Таир-11 -- 28/18
Таир-11-2 -- 28/18
Таир-11А -- 44/24
Wow at these numbers.
And the MC Mir-24 Ive got, is soooo contrasty and good with colors. _________________ The future is analogue.
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
hey!
one lens at a time! Im not a millionare _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
my flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverviewfoto/
Vintage lens blog : http://dude163.blogspot.com/
500px : http://500px.com/roberttwilson |
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Joosep
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 305 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Joosep wrote:
Welcome to the club.
The club of poor lens addicts. _________________ The future is analogue.
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Helios 40 lenses: do they all not focus beyond 30 metres |
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aoleg wrote:
dude163 wrote: |
Hi there
do all H 40 lens have a problem with focusing beyond 30 metres? or is it only the first silver ones that are converted from m39 to M42 that have this problem?
Thanks |
The issue here is the difference in registration distance between M39 and M42 mounts. Can you undo the conversion (by unscrewing the M39-M42 ring for example)? If you can, just buy an M39-EOS adapter from eBay, and you're good. If the conversion is permanent - well, try some really cheap, silver Chinese M42 adapters, they sometimes are made badly enough to be way thinner than required for an M42 lens. (I have a Jupiter-9 in M39 mount, added an M39-M42 ring and one of those cheap adapters for perfect infinity). _________________ List of lenses |
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vulko
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:36 am Post subject: |
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vulko wrote:
Joosep wrote: |
The J-9 is a good lens. At F4 its SOO sharp.
The H-40 is just SOOO special.
My H-40 topic and J-9 topic. |
Helios 40 is also sharp at slower appertures, but that's now why ppl buy it. You can see the beauty of helios 40 only wide open. Stoped down to 5.6-8, no difference from jupiter 9 and other 85mm lenses. The only disadvantage of the lens is the weight. Sometimes just hard to keep camera still trying to focus from an awkward position |
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vulko
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: |
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vulko wrote:
P.s. yep, the lens was converted this way. i guess it's no big deal to get m39 mount back, just need to find a repairsman. I was goinig to unscrew the back of the lens, but looks like a very small hexagonal screwdriver is needed. Have some, but not that small. |
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