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yinyangbt
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Which are the lenses that do offer this facility ? (I am looking for one)
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Speaking of those that I know:
- Contax Makro-Sonnar 100/2.8
- Contax Makro-Sonnar 60/2.8 (careful with this one, there is also a version that only does 1:2)
I let the others add the other lenses.
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Kiron 2.8/105
Asahi Macro-Takumar 4/50
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AhamB
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AhamB wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
Speaking of those that I know:
- Contax Makro-Sonnar 100/2.8
- Contax Makro-Sonnar 60/2.8 (careful with this one, there is also a version that only does 1:2)
I let the others add the other lenses. |
Small corrections:
The Makro-Sonnar 100/2.8 is the Contax N variant, which can be converted (at considerable cost) by Conurus to Canon EF (but not to other mounts).
The Contax ones are:
Makro-Planar 100/2.8
S-Planar 60/2.8 (in the data sheets it's called Makro-Planar)
The S-Planar 60/2.8 C is the compact version that does 1:2.
Other MF lenses that do 1:1:
Vivitar 55/2.8
Vivitar/Panagor/Elicar(?) 90/2.8
Mamiya 645 A 120/4 (highly recommended for incredible IQ; not a compact lens of course)
Pentax 645 120/4 (don't know how well it performs) |
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See my sig and Customer Support section, I have 2 for sale.
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Esox lucius wrote:
Voigtländer SL 125/2.5 Macro APO Lanthar goes to 1:1 |
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WolverineX
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Asahi Macro-Takumar 4/50 |
just be careful ,there are 2 versions that look the same unless focused at the minimum fucusing distance, older is macro takumar and it goes 1:1 , newer is super macro takumar and goes 1:2
yashinon 60mm 2.8 is also 1:1 (also comes as Tomioka and Mamiya Sekor)
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justtorchit
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justtorchit wrote:
Among those that I know (as primarily a Nikon shooter):
Vivitar/Elicar/Rokunar 55mm f/2.8 1:1
Vivitar/Panagor/Elicar/Rokunar 90mm f/2.8 1:1
Kiron/Lester A. Dine/Vivitar Series 1 (f/2.5) 105mm f/2.8 1:1
Vivitar 100mm f/2.8 (Kiron) 1:1
Some that can achieve 1:1 with tubes or adapters:
Nikon Nikkor-P w/ M2 ext. tube
Nikon 55mm f/3.5 w/ pk-13 ext. tube
Nikon 55mm f/2.8 w/ pk-13 ext. tube
Nikon 105mm f/2.8 and f/4 w/ pn-11 ext. tube
Vivitar Series 1 90mm f/2.5 w/ matched macro extender
Tokina 90mm f/2.5 AT-X w/ matched macro extender
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WolverineX
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Some that can achieve 1:1 with tubes or adapters:
Nikon Nikkor-P w/ M2 ext. tube
Nikon 55mm f/3.5 w/ pk-13 ext. tube
Nikon 55mm f/2.8 w/ pk-13 ext. tube
Nikon 105mm f/2.8 and f/4 w/ pn-11 ext. tube
Vivitar Series 1 90mm f/2.5 w/ matched macro extender
Tokina 90mm f/2.5 AT-X w/ matched macro extender |
all 1:2 lenses can achieve 1:1 with tubes ,macro converters or bellows...
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Vivitar Series 1 100 f/2.5 1:1 (Komine made) macro lens. You get 1:1 without needing an adapter. Very sharp with creamy smooth bokeh.
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
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The Contax ones are:
Makro-Planar 100/2.8
S-Planar 60/2.8 (in the data sheets it's called Makro-Planar)
The S-Planar 60/2.8 C is the compact version that does 1:2.
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Yes, sorry for the mistype. Makro-Planar.
However, I have to make a correction on the correction: the last batches of the 60mm lens have been indeed named Makro-Planar also on the barrel. The S-Planar denomination only belongs to the first production of the lens.
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RioRico
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RioRico wrote:
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| all 1:2 lenses can achieve 1:1 with tubes ,macro converters or bellows... |
ANY lens can go 1:1 with enough extension.
Easy, cheap 1:1 -- Industar-50/3.5 on 50mm of tubes. (US$25+$10)
Both my rather cheap M42 macros go 1:1 -- Macro-Takumar 50/4 (version 1, US$55) and Vivitar-Komine 90/2.8 macro (US$3) (I got lucky!)
Of course, any zoom labeled MACRO, isn't. Except my Schneider Betavaron 50-125mm enlarger zoom, which really needs an added helicoid to exploit its weirdness.
And there's another way to go MF-macro-prime fairly cheap: helicoid + tubes + enlarger lenses. A 35-90mm M42 helicoid (~US$130) + some 50mm EL (~US$5-20) + 15mm tube; or the helicoid + some 80mm EL + 45mm tube; et cetera. You can focus from infinity, to as close as possible. A bit less clumsy than bellows, if more expensive because of ridiculous helicoid prices. But this approach is certainly cheaper than buying several dedicated macro lenses of varying FL's.
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AhamB
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AhamB wrote:
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Yes, sorry for the mistype. Makro-Planar.
However, I have to make a correction on the correction: the last batches of the 60mm lens have been indeed named Makro-Planar also on the barrel. The S-Planar denomination only belongs to the first production of the lens. |
You're right. I suppose only (early) AEG's have 'S-Planar' on the barrel. |
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walter g
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: MF lenses 1:1 |
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walter g wrote:
| yinyangbt wrote: |
| Which are the lenses that do offer this facility ? (I am looking for one) |
I see you already own some very nice performing Minolta lenses.
So, 100mm f4 MD Macro lens. There is also the 100mm f3.5 Rokkor X Macro, but the f4 MD version is a little better.
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Mal1905
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Mal1905 wrote:
Which is precisely why I said 'Macro-Takumar', carefully omitting the 'Super' 
| WolverineX wrote: |
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Asahi Macro-Takumar 4/50 |
just be careful ,there are 2 versions that look the same unless focused at the minimum fucusing distance, older is macro takumar and it goes 1:1 , newer is super macro takumar and goes 1:2
yashinon 60mm 2.8 is also 1:1 (also comes as Tomioka and Mamiya Sekor) |
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Asahi Optical Co.: Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 2.8/120, 2.5/135 I & II, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4/300, 5.6/400, 4/45-125, 4.5/85-210, Super-Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4.5/70-150, Fish-Eye-Takumar 4/17, Macro-Takumar 4/50, Super-Macro Takumar 4/50, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-Takumar 4/50, 4/100, Bellows-Takumar 4/100, Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 3.5/50, 2.4/58, 3.5/100, Asahi-Kogaku Tele-Takumar 3.5/135, Auto-Takumar 2.3/35, 3.5/35, 1.8/55, 1.8/55 (Zebra), 2/55, 2.2/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, Takumar 4/35, 2.2/55, 2/58, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 5.6/200, 6.3/300, SMC Takumar 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, SMC-M 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 2/50
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There's a Panagor sp? that has a very good reputation and can be snapped up for less than some of the more famous ones 
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WolverineX wrote:
| Mal1905 wrote: |
Which is precisely why I said 'Macro-Takumar', carefully omitting the 'Super'
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| Mal1905 wrote: |
Asahi Macro-Takumar 4/50 |
just be careful ,there are 2 versions that look the same unless focused at the minimum fucusing distance, older is macro takumar and it goes 1:1 , newer is super macro takumar and goes 1:2
yashinon 60mm 2.8 is also 1:1 (also comes as Tomioka and Mamiya Sekor) |
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and i added more information so the one buying this lens could know what to look at, because i've seen a lot of these takumars on ebay with photos that do not show inscription on the lens or are not fully extended
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justtorchit
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| all 1:2 lenses can achieve 1:1 with tubes ,macro converters or bellows... |
Naturally! But those I listed just make it easy since the matching tube is specific to 1:1 reproduction rather than "x" length tube for some arbitrary reproduction ratio and all sorts of calculations etc...
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Panagor 55mm f/3
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spleenone wrote:
| RioRico wrote: |
| WolverineX wrote: |
| all 1:2 lenses can achieve 1:1 with tubes ,macro converters or bellows... |
ANY lens can go 1:1 with enough extension.
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I only add that with wide angles it is very difficult. Its 1:1 ratio is somewhere inside of the lens or you will have minimal working distance. Then with tele it is very difficult, too. You would need decimetres long tubes then what with light loss. Most easy is to achieve that ration with 50mm lens (or with true macro lens - compensating due construction). Then is clear why some old tele zoom glass has macro capability on wide end or better magnification is on that end. Howg.
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eno789 wrote:
Both (Komine made) Vivitar 55mm F/2.8 and 90mm F/2.8 do 1:1 by itself .
There're some sample pictures in my flickr photostream at
http: // www.flickr.com/photos/bzhou/
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caspert79
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caspert79 wrote:
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Both (Komine made) Vivitar 55mm F/2.8 and 90mm F/2.8 do 1:1 by itself .
There're some sample pictures in my flickr photostream at
http: // www.flickr.com/photos/bzhou/
Cheers,
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Those are very nice, and very affordable lenses indeed. I've once tested my Vivitar 55mm macro against the Takumar 55mm. I believe the Takumar was slightly better as a macro (I'm splitting hairs here), but the Vivitar excelled at portrait distances. Similar results I got from the Vivitar 90mm vs. the Kiron 105mm. The Kiron slighly better macro performance, the Vivitar 90mm better at longer focal distances. |
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