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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject: Vintage Tractor with Takumar 50 f1.4 |
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dude163 wrote:
_________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
my flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverviewfoto/
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
This made pic of the day for one of our national newspapers
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/multimedia/camera-club/share-your-photos-on-the-theme-of-thanksgiving/article1748333/ _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
my flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverviewfoto/
Vintage lens blog : http://dude163.blogspot.com/
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Congratulations for the picture of the day!
This image proves a point: the myth of Takumar's 1.4/50 super smooth bokeh compared to other 1.4/50mms is, justly, a myth.
The Takumar is a double gauss design just like the Olympus, the Minolta, the Planar, the Nikkor, etc.
the bokeh _will_ be supersmooth indeed when the conditions are favorable. And the same is true for the other mentioned lenses; in harsh conditions, the Tak will give harsh bokeh exactly like the other double gauss lenses.
So always take with caution definite statements about the bokeh of this or that lens, especially when 50mm fast lenses are concerned, because these are really all close relatives. They are more like twin brothers than just brothers. Some even mono-ovulary twins. Some just hethero-ovulary, but still close enough to look very much alike.
The light and background conditions are the decisive factor. There might be subtle differences between the rendition of this or that lens, but when the lenses are the same design (and all major 1.4/50mm are, they are virtually identical), the similarities will be dominating.
So, when the light and background dictate it's going to be a harsh bokeh for 2-Gauss type, it will be a harsh bokeh for every lens of that type. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3240 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
Congrats dude!
I missed Globe and mail this week. Maybe I'll find tomorrow a copy with your picture. _________________ Moderator Himself |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
Expire: 2014-12-26
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:09 am Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
wow Dude, this is great! heart felt congratulations!
hmm..they cropped it too much though
Orio wrote: |
Congratulations for the picture of the day!
This image proves a point: the myth of Takumar's 1.4/50 super smooth bokeh compared to other 1.4/50mms is, justly, a myth.
The Takumar is a double gauss design just like the Olympus, the Minolta, the Planar, the Nikkor, etc.
the bokeh _will_ be supersmooth indeed when the conditions are favorable. And the same is true for the other mentioned lenses; in harsh conditions, the Tak will give harsh bokeh exactly like the other double gauss lenses......
The light and background conditions are the decisive factor. There might be subtle differences between the rendition of this or that lens, but when the lenses are the same design (and all major 1.4/50mm are, they are virtually identical), the similarities will be dominating.
So, when the light and background dictate it's going to be a harsh bokeh for 2-Gauss type, it will be a harsh bokeh for every lens of that type. |
certainly true Orio!. Which make me curious: do you know which other, normal ( or other lens ) would be able to solve this difficult light situation of the background differently, smoother? From what I have seen so far I'd expect the Summilux 1.4/50 to do just a tad 'better'.
Better? Once again we arrive at a point where technical analysis may go against subjective, even common preferences: Isn't it quite obvious that it's exactly these sparkling highlights which made someone choose this photo as the pic of the day, that they are the main reason this photo is noticed and liked?
Here the background bokeh is what we call 'harsh'. With this lighting, who would expect it to be different? Dude must have expected it to be as it is, and composed accordingly, and got a truly impressive result!
Insofar the Tak 1.4/50 sure has not 'super smooth' bokeh, but it certainly has 'relatively' very smooth bokeh, similar or IMO even smoother than most the other mentioned, very similar, very good lenses. Something I like very much about the Tak, the beautiful transition it draws from sharp to oof, can be well appreciated here and for my eyes is what I like best in this photo too
best regards,
Andreas _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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djmike
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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djmike wrote:
A+. Excellent shot and fantastic bokeh. _________________
DSLR: Canon 400D
SLR: Nikon FM2 + Canon A-1 + Canon AE1-P + Praktica MTL-5B + Pentax Spotmatic F + Fujica ST801 + Voigtlander Bassematic + Voigtlander Vito + Rollei 35S + Rolleiflex SL35 ME + Canon QL17 GIII + Olympus Pen EE-3
Lenses
M42: CZJ Flektogon 35/2.4 + CZJ Flektogon Zebra 35/2.8 + CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 + CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 + CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 Chrome + Pentacon 135/2.8 + Pentacon 50/1.8 + SMC Takumar 50/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55/2 + SMC Takumar 135/3.5 + Fujinon 55/1.8 + Jupiter-9 85/2 + Jupiter-37A 135/3.5 + Helios 44-6 58/2
Nikor: Nikkor 50/1.4 + Nikkor 28/3.5 + Nikkor 35-105 Zoom + 36-72 Series E Zoom
Canon: Canon FD + 28/2.8 + 50/1.8 + Canon 35-105 Macro Zoom
Other: Rollei Planar HFT 50/1.8
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
congrats Dude, great tractor!
Andreas wrote: |
Isn't it quite obvious that it's exactly these sparkling highlights which made someone choose this photo as the pic of the day |
I am not sure, they crop a lot of the highlights _________________ T* |
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
Thanks all!
I just liked the 3D look of the steering wheel! _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
my flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverviewfoto/
Vintage lens blog : http://dude163.blogspot.com/
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
Love it!
I love the warm colours, it has a nice 3d look and I like the pumpkins in the background, they add depth after the initial subject has been absorbed.
And as for the bokeh, some will hate it but I think it looks gorgeous! _________________ - Dave
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DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
kuuan wrote: |
certainly true Orio!. Which make me curious: do you know which other, normal ( or other lens ) would be able to solve this difficult light situation of the background differently, smoother? From what I have seen so far I'd expect the Summilux 1.4/50 to do just a tad 'better'. |
No, in this situation, it's as harsh as the other double gauss lenses.
The old lenses like Veijo's Radionar are the best option in these cases.
Lenses where the aberrations are not super-corrected.
It's impossible to find a today's normal lens that does that good in bokeh.
Maybe the Volna-9 is the one that does "less bad", so to say.
The Volna is Tessar-based but it's not as corrected as the other modern day's Tessars. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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