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peterbald
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 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:09 am Post subject: Socrates user is highly NOT recommended |
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peterbald wrote:
Hi,
probably as you heard I make a mistake and bought from user Socrates
two lenses (Nikon 50/1.2 and Nikon 70-300).
According our one week conversation, he lives in France (not sure at all),
his name is Mark Chevalier and he owns a Photo Store in Lacanau, France (lie)
VintageOpticsFrancé.
19 Allée Pierre Ortal,
Lacanau, France
I asked him to provide me with his ebay details and I get this link:
Click here to see on Ebay
I sent 675$ to his PayPal account VintageOpticsFr@hotmail.com (  )
and immediately received refund from this account.
He said, probably there are some problems with his PayPal account 
and asked me to send money to the new opened account wolvesofeurope@gmail.com
After PayPal proceed to his account he stopped to answer to e-mails, PM.. 
Ten days ago I've opened case in PayPal and today I received full refund. 
Be carefull! 
service@paypal.com
12:41 PM (2 minutes ago)
to me
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Resolution of Your Case: #PP-001-560-417-169
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Dear Steve Rekun,
We have concluded our investigation into your case and have decided in your
favor.
We were able to recover $675.00 USD and this amount has been credited to
you. Please allow five business days for this adjustment to be posted.
If you are due any additional funds, we will make our best effort to
recover the balance from the seller.
If the seller's account has insufficient funds to complete the refund owed
to you, please be assured that we will take appropriate action against the
seller's account, which may include limitation of the seller's account
privileges.
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Transaction Details
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Seller's Name: Dunkan Drijsdaale
Seller's Email: wolvesofeurope@gmail.com
Seller's Transaction ID: 2AX47736T33721929
Transaction Date: 15 Nov 2011
Transaction Amount: -$675.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 4R447035BH375912L
Case Number: PP-001-560-417-169
Buyer's Transaction ID: 4R447035BH375912L
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Posts: 1969
Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:39 am Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
At the mentionned adress, this is a restaurant, not a photoshop : http://www.restoenfrance.com/restaurant-357365-Chez-l-Australien.html
And there seems to be no photo shop around it.
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:53 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
incredible story, glad that paypal resolved this issue
it is evident that Socrates will try again with another name
better to stay careful with the wolves of europe @ gmail
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berraneck
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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berraneck wrote:
it´s nice to hear that paypal protection really works! and congrats you made it out.)
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Thank you for sharing it! I am really happy Paypal protection did work!!
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Orio
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Thank you for sharing it! I am really happy Paypal protection did work!! |
yeah, but it did work only because he was lucky that the seller was not a professional thief.
A professional thief would have removed the money from the paypal account instantly.
Instead the money was still there, and this is the only reason why Paypal did refund.
pay attention to what Paypal wrote (bold/red are mine):
| Paypal wrote: |
We were able to recover $675.00 USD and this amount has been credited to
you. Please allow five business days for this adjustment to be posted.
If you are due any additional funds, we will make our best effort to
recover the balance from the seller.
If the seller's account has insufficient funds to complete the refund owed
to you, please be assured that we will take appropriate action against the
seller's account, which may include limitation of the seller's account
privileges. |
So much for those who think that Ebay and Paypal protect the buyer.
Their protection is useful only if the cheating seller is stupid enough to leave
the money on the account. Which means practically never, unless in very lucky cases
such as this one.
Paypal's claim that they have a "buyer protection" if fraudulent. It makes buyers think that they have an insurance
if they buy with Paypal. They don't. You don't. You can get a refund only if the seller has money on the paypal account.
Otherwise, Paypal openly declares it's impossibility to proceed to a refund.
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kds315*
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
It isn't true Orio. I had a case where the seller had removed the funds and Paypal did refund me nevertheless.
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Orio
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
| kds315* wrote: |
| It isn't true Orio. I had a case where the seller had removed the funds and Paypal did refund me nevertheless. |
Really?
First time that I hear this.
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kds315*
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Yes and it was a $$$$ amount. Nevertheless I ALWAYS immediately transfer funds from my Paypal account to my bank bank account, as too much weird stuff happens at Paypal (account gets frozen for months etc.). Paypal is NOT a registered official bank!
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Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Yes, not a bank so not regulated by any financial authority, they stole 489ukp from me. I would never use them again if there were other options.
This is the restaurant this thief was using as a fake address:
Dunkan Drijsdaale sounds Dutch or Flemish Belgian to me. What a lowlife.
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Sevo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
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Dunkan Drijsdaale sounds Dutch or Flemish Belgian to me. |
Sounds made up to me - googling and a library search do not turn up either Dunkan or Drijsdaale as a existing name part in either language. The culprit probably is a native English speaker whose lame attempt at a Dutch-sounding name did not get any better than replacing a letter each in "Duncan Drysdale"...
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stingOM
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
Incredible story. Goes to show the risk of buying lenses in this way. Glad you got the refund. You were really luck I think. |
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