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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1693 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: Which Soligor lenses are worth having? |
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WolverineX wrote:
I already have couple of them...
135mm/2
200mm/2.8
that i'm satisfied with and
28-80mm/3.5-4.5
that i'm not so satisfied
which other could be worth having? _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
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walter g
Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2463 Location: NC, USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:01 am Post subject: |
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walter g wrote:
You already have 2 of the rarer Soligors. If you want to stay in the same series. 28/2, 85 1/5, 105 2/8.
These are out of my price range, but I'm sure some of the members have these lenses. _________________
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MD 28-70 f3.5-4.8, MD Macro 35-70 f3.5, Md 70-210 f4, MD Rokkor X 75-200 f4.5, MD 100-200 f5.6
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Various Soligor,Sun,Fujita,Komura,Spitatone, etc. Lenses
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Depends on what you mean by "worth".
Most of them are at least OK for taking pictures well enough for me at least.
There are plenty of Soligor-brand tele-lenses in particular that are perfectly fine. Any lenses of 105-400mm are almost sure to be sharp enough for anyone.
Even almost all 28-35mm are fine on a crop sensor camera, nearly all the time. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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junpher
Joined: 18 Aug 2010 Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:28 am Post subject: |
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junpher wrote:
Soligor C/D 35/2 will be a very pretty lens too |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
I like using the Soligor 28.2.8 T4(metal kind) and I have an older 135/2.8 (metal kind) that I really like.
I am not fussed on the 70-235 M42 fixed mount (metal)...but to be honest I have not used it enough to really say it is no good.I think all lenses need you to take time with them and learn how they perform.If you can buy one for under $20 then I think it's worth buying to try out....then tell us how it went _________________ Moira, Moderator
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CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I've used an old all metal 135 2.8 for a while now and it's OK, I've had some good results with it.
I bought a 300 5.5 in the same series at the weekend ( both are M39 ) and a quick test with it looks very promising.
If I get a chance today I'll have a decent go with the 300. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1693 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:25 am Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
walter g wrote: |
You already have 2 of the rarer Soligors. If you want to stay in the same series. 28/2, 85 1/5, 105 2/8.
These are out of my price range, but I'm sure some of the members have these lenses. |
thanx
by "worth" i mean that they are quality and sharp, because Soligor had several lens manufacturers and i'm sure they all are not same quality _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1693 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:31 am Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
walter g wrote: |
You already have 2 of the rarer Soligors. If you want to stay in the same series. 28/2, 85 1/5, 105 2/8.
These are out of my price range, but I'm sure some of the members have these lenses. |
you have 200/2.8 soligor made by Tokina right now on ebay for buy it now price of 300$
Click here to see on Ebay _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
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Univer
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 282
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Univer wrote:
walter g wrote: |
You already have 2 of the rarer Soligors. If you want to stay in the same series. 28/2, 85 1/5, 105 2/8.
These are out of my price range, but I'm sure some of the members have these lenses. |
Hi,
I think I may not be fully understanding the notion of these lenses as a series; or it could be that you have versions of these lenses in mind than the ones I'm thinking of.
I have the 200/2.8 in the C/D series, and I know there was an earlier version that didn't carry the C/D designation - both auto lenses, in all-black finish. The C/D lens, I think, dates from the 1970s. My recollection is that the 28/2 is also a C/D lens, from the same era.
On the other hand, the 105/2.8 that comes immediately to mind, for me, is the T4 version - with the distinctive Soligor chrome "ears". Definitely earlier than the C/D lenses. I've got that one too, and I've been happy with the results from it. But price-wise, I wouldn't put it in the same class as the 200/2.8 or the 28/2. I've seen the 105 trade at very reasonable prices.
The 85/1.5, though - that's a very different creature. It's an earlier preset lens, and rather scarce. I don't have that one, but I do have its cousin, the 85/1.8. A lovely lens, in T-mount (and also quite uncommon), but I can't work out how it could be part of a "series" with those others. It's not the same lens as the 85/1.8 Vivitar preset T-mount, by the way.
It's hard, of course, to speak in generalities about Soligor lenses, if only because they were made by so many different manufacturers, in so many different versions, for so many years.
To answer the OP's question, these are the Soligors I've been happy with: 105/2.8 T4, chrome "ears"; 35/2.8 T4, chrome "ears"; 135/2.8 preset, chrome "ears"; 85/1.8 preset T-mount, all black; 200/4, auto, all-black, with the aperture ring "north" of the focus ring - a somewhat odd arrangement. In my experience, the 200/2.8 is a slightly above average performer: heavy and nicely styled, but not nearly as good as, say, the Vivitar Series 1 200/3, with which I believe it was intended to compete.
I briefly owned an example of the Soligor 100/2.8 C/D macro, and I wouldn't go out of my way to buy another. Mine was mechanically messed up in just about every way imaginable, although it was cosmetically near mint, and I've heard anecdotal reports of mechanical issues in other copies; so I'm not convinced of that lens's build quality.
Cheers,
Jon |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
+1 on the 105 T4 - to my eyes it is fully on par with the SMC Takumar 105 _________________ -Jussi
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
WolverineX wrote: |
you have 200/2.8 soligor made by Tokina right now on ebay for buy it now price of 300$
Click here to see on Ebay |
Can't you get a Sonnar 200mm f/2.8 for that money?
I have a 35mm T4 that is a very decent lens, but I don't used it because I also have a Flektogon.
Univer: I've been wondering about the 105mm, can you ground this somehow by comparison to other known lenses? I'm wondering also if it has any distinctive characteristics. Thanks much. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Attila
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
A good Soligor lens cost same as a good Russian, Carl Zeiss Jena or Tamron costs I prefer Carl Zeiss Jena over on Soligors. I had 200mm f2.8 it was okay but not comparable with Carl Zeiss Jena 200mm. I had 28mm f2 and I still have a zoom 70-205 which one that is good lens about same than Tamron SP zooms. I have a 35mm f2.8 pre-set Soligor what is crap really.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/Soligor/sligor_70-205_cd_f3_8/
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/Soligor/soligor_200mm_f2_8/
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/Soligor/Soligor_28mm_f2/ _________________ -------------------------------
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bmwtraveler
Joined: 07 Aug 2010 Posts: 23 Location: Bakersfield,Ca
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject: Which Soligor len worth having |
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bmwtraveler wrote:
Soligor 70-220 3.5 C/D zoom, made by Tokina,great len |
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Univer
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 282
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Univer wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
WolverineX wrote: |
you have 200/2.8 soligor made by Tokina right now on ebay for buy it now price of 300$
Click here to see on Ebay |
Can't you get a Sonnar 200mm f/2.8 for that money?
I have a 35mm T4 that is a very decent lens, but I don't used it because I also have a Flektogon.
Univer: I've been wondering about the 105mm, can you ground this somehow by comparison to other known lenses? I'm wondering also if it has any distinctive characteristics. Thanks much. |
Hi,
I wanted to think a bit before replying. In terms of putting the Soligor 105 in context: many of my 100s/105s are preset triplets, so it's understandable that the Soligor would be a very different lens. I don't own the Nikkor 105 (well, I owned one long ago, but I don't remember it well enough to make a comparison), the Kaleinar 100 or the Meyer 100. And to compare it to the Yashinon-DX 100/2.8 would be unhelpful, I suspect, simply because that doesn't seem to be a lens many people own.
I think I'm going to have to go along with Jussi here, and say that the T4 Tokina-made Soligor does not suffer by comparison with my Super-Tak or Super-Multi-Coated Tak 105. (I haven't owned the Auto-Tak 105 long enough to form any meaningful impressions.) It's a good-handling lens, nicely made. I've found it to be acceptably sharp wide-open, improving (naturally) when stopped down, with accurate color and decent bokeh. I seem to find lenses of 100/105 focal length easy to use in general, and this one is no exception.
I picked mine up for a good price, and I've seen them since at just-as-good prices. Then again, I occasionally see a Takumar 105 at an advantageous price, too. Given the choice between two lenses in equal condition and at equally good prices, I'd probably opt for the Tak. But if I already owned the Soligor, and a Tak came along at a good price, I don't think I'd bother with an "upgrade."
I have the feeling that's not terribly helpful, but I wanted to share whatever info I could.
Cheers,
Jon
PS I wouldn't pay $300 for the Soligor 200/2.8. At that price, I'm with you: I'd look for the Sonnar. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I did try the classic 2.5/105 Nikkor. I had one for a few weeks and then sold it.
It is a very nice lens indeed, but I could not tell the difference between the Nikkor and my Vivitar T4 105 (Tokina-made like the Soligor), my Tamron Adaptamatic 105, Accura Diamatic 105, various Soligor preset 105's etc.
All of these seem to be Sonnar-type designs.
Maybe its just me, maybe I cannot see these differences.
The US market may be very different. Old Japanese-made lenses like the Soligors are often very, very cheap in the US, almost all German-made or Russian made lenses are expensive. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I've got the 135mm 2.8 with a ten blade iris and a 300mm 5.5 with a twelve blade iris, both are M39, all metal.
The numbers are -
135. M163924
300. 375860
I've had decent pictures from the 135, once I got the hang of it, and I think the 300 will be the same.
I only got the 300 a few days ago, but I've tried it today and I'm impressed so far. The colours are a little flat, but that's soon corrected. The speed at 5.5 is slooooow, but on a tripod it's good and I got a few shots hand held that surprised me.
They're heavy, maybe not the greatest lenses optically, but they're fairly cheap and readily available, and the build quality of the two I have is 'weapons grade'
This was a hand held with the 300 from today's first real trial -
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Ironbridge power station by Mudplugga, on Flickr
and this is from the 135. Also hand held and a big crop from original
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Sculpture at the Museum of Iron in Coalbrookdale. by Mudplugga, on Flickr
[/img] _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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walter g
Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2463 Location: NC, USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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walter g wrote:
Univer wrote: |
walter g wrote: |
You already have 2 of the rarer Soligors. If you want to stay in the same series. 28/2, 85 1/5, 105 2/8.
These are out of my price range, but I'm sure some of the members have these lenses. |
Hi,
I think I may not be fully understanding the notion of these lenses as a series; or it could be that you have versions of these lenses in mind than the ones I'm thinking of.
I have the 200/2.8 in the C/D series, and I know there was an earlier version that didn't carry the C/D designation - both auto lenses, in all-black finish. The C/D lens, I think, dates from the 1970s. My recollection is that the 28/2 is also a C/D lens, from the same era.
On the other hand, the 105/2.8 that comes immediately to mind, for me, is the T4 version - with the distinctive Soligor chrome "ears". Definitely earlier than the C/D lenses. I've got that one too, and I've been happy with the results from it. But price-wise, I wouldn't put it in the same class as the 200/2.8 or the 28/2. I've seen the 105 trade at very reasonable prices.
The 85/1.5, though - that's a very different creature. It's an earlier preset lens, and rather scarce. I don't have that one, but I do have its cousin, the 85/1.8. A lovely lens, in T-mount (and also quite uncommon), but I can't work out how it could be part of a "series" with those others. It's not the same lens as the 85/1.8 Vivitar preset T-mount, by the way.
It's hard, of course, to speak in generalities about Soligor lenses, if only because they were made by so many different manufacturers, in so many different versions, for so many years.
To answer the OP's question, these are the Soligors I've been happy with: 105/2.8 T4, chrome "ears"; 35/2.8 T4, chrome "ears"; 135/2.8 preset, chrome "ears"; 85/1.8 preset T-mount, all black; 200/4, auto, all-black, with the aperture ring "north" of the focus ring - a somewhat odd arrangement. In my experience, the 200/2.8 is a slightly above average performer: heavy and nicely styled, but not nearly as good as, say, the Vivitar Series 1 200/3, with which I believe it was intended to compete.
I briefly owned an example of the Soligor 100/2.8 C/D macro, and I wouldn't go out of my way to buy another. Mine was mechanically messed up in just about every way imaginable, although it was cosmetically near mint, and I've heard anecdotal reports of mechanical issues in other copies; so I'm not convinced of that lens's build quality.
Cheers,
Jon |
I was thinking of the C/D series lenses. I normally hear them called a series, but your right there were earlier versions of these lenses.
The pre 1974 lenses looked like they came from there makers. A tokina made lens looked like a Tokina.
Then they came out with the rubber grip lenses in 1974. as a general rule the 74 lenses had the chrome edge and 1975 lenses went to all black.
I really prefer the early lenses, mainley for looks.
Sorry I should of been more specific. Not trying to confuse the issue. It must have been a brain fart. , _________________
Main cameras
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Minolta MC W SI 2.5/28, MD 2.8/28, MC W SG 3.5/28, MC Celtic 3.5/28, MC W HG 2.8/35, MD Celtic 2.8/35, QE 4/35, Rokkor X 2/45, MC Rokkor X PG 1.4/50, MC Rokkor X PG 1.7/50, MD Rokkor X 1.7/50, MD 2/50, MC Rokkor PF 1.7/55, MC Rokkor PF 1.9/55, Auto Tele Rokkor PG 2.8/135, MC Tele Rokkor QD 3.5/135, TC 4/135, MC Celtic 4/200, MC Tele Rokkor PE 4.5/200
MD 28-70 f3.5-4.8, MD Macro 35-70 f3.5, Md 70-210 f4, MD Rokkor X 75-200 f4.5, MD 100-200 f5.6
Nikon Nikkor 4/20, O Auto 2/35, S Auto 1.4/50..... Miranda Auto 2.8/28, Auto 2.8/35, Auto 1.4/50, Auto EC 1.4/50, Auto 1.8/50, Auto EC 1.8/50,Auto 1.9/50, Auto 3.5/135
Various Soligor,Sun,Fujita,Komura,Spitatone, etc. Lenses
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Univer
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 282
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Univer wrote:
@walter g: No worries! When it comes to Soligor, I tend to think confusion comes with the territory.
I'm just glad there isn't an 85/1.5 C/D lens as well as the preset version. One unobtainable, unaffordable fast Soligor portrait lens is plenty for me.
@Lloydy: That's the 135mm model I was talking about. I've had good results from mine, and I do like the handling and styling.
Can I just ask: is it possible you meant to say M42 instead of M39?
Cheers,
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walter g
Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2463 Location: NC, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:45 am Post subject: |
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walter g wrote:
Univer
Start saving your money.
All the fast lenses I listed above were available pre 1974 made by Tokina.
Then in 1974 they were made by both Tokina and Sun.
So each lens including the 85 1.5 had at leat 3 versions maybe more. _________________
Main cameras
Panasonic G5,Nikon J1,Pentax Q10,Sony Nex 6
Minolta MC W SI 2.5/28, MD 2.8/28, MC W SG 3.5/28, MC Celtic 3.5/28, MC W HG 2.8/35, MD Celtic 2.8/35, QE 4/35, Rokkor X 2/45, MC Rokkor X PG 1.4/50, MC Rokkor X PG 1.7/50, MD Rokkor X 1.7/50, MD 2/50, MC Rokkor PF 1.7/55, MC Rokkor PF 1.9/55, Auto Tele Rokkor PG 2.8/135, MC Tele Rokkor QD 3.5/135, TC 4/135, MC Celtic 4/200, MC Tele Rokkor PE 4.5/200
MD 28-70 f3.5-4.8, MD Macro 35-70 f3.5, Md 70-210 f4, MD Rokkor X 75-200 f4.5, MD 100-200 f5.6
Nikon Nikkor 4/20, O Auto 2/35, S Auto 1.4/50..... Miranda Auto 2.8/28, Auto 2.8/35, Auto 1.4/50, Auto EC 1.4/50, Auto 1.8/50, Auto EC 1.8/50,Auto 1.9/50, Auto 3.5/135
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mo
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:43 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
This is my Soligor 135/2.8(taken with the Mamiya sekor 1.8/55) all black is it earlier than the chromed ring version with "ears"
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_________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
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Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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Univer
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Univer wrote:
walter g wrote: |
Univer
Start saving your money.
All the fast lenses I listed above were available pre 1974 made by Tokina.
Then in 1974 they were made by both Tokina and Sun.
So each lens including the 85 1.5 had at leat 3 versions maybe more. |
Hmmm...interesting. Now you have me officially confused. (As opposed to casually confused, which is more or less my normal state.)
Focusing on the Soligor 85/1.5: are you saying that there are at least three distinct versions of this lens, some of them dating from the mid-1970s - presumably automatic-aperture designs?
I ask only because I have never encountered a single reference to any Soligor 85/1.5 other than the preset T-mount version (here and here) - same styling as my 85/1.8 preset, with the distinctive orange and green lettering. No photos, no catalog pages, no passing mentions, nothing. This is the only Soligor 85/1.5 in the vade mecum (my version of it, anyway), and it's the only one referenced in the widely circulated third-party lens database. When I see the lens discussed, it's invariably talked about in the singular: e.g., "the Soligor 85/1.5 is a rare lens."
I'm not challenging the statement, and I don't at all mean to put you on the spot, but I'd be awfully grateful if you could point me toward a Web reference or photo (of course, if you've got one, a photo of your lens would be even better). Since the existence of these other version(s) seems to have gone unrecorded, that would certainly extend our shared body of knowledge.
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walter g
Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2463 Location: NC, USA
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walter g wrote:
Researching Soligors I've came up with some pretty weird stuff.
Like you the only version I'd seen of the Soligor 85 1.5 is the ones you've posted. Every version I've seen has been made about the same year.
Take a look at this version. Have you seen one that looked like this before. It is made by the same maker, but look at the differences.
Different version or design changes. You tell me what you think.
http://captjack.exaktaphile.com/Soligorpage.htm _________________
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Minolta MC W SI 2.5/28, MD 2.8/28, MC W SG 3.5/28, MC Celtic 3.5/28, MC W HG 2.8/35, MD Celtic 2.8/35, QE 4/35, Rokkor X 2/45, MC Rokkor X PG 1.4/50, MC Rokkor X PG 1.7/50, MD Rokkor X 1.7/50, MD 2/50, MC Rokkor PF 1.7/55, MC Rokkor PF 1.9/55, Auto Tele Rokkor PG 2.8/135, MC Tele Rokkor QD 3.5/135, TC 4/135, MC Celtic 4/200, MC Tele Rokkor PE 4.5/200
MD 28-70 f3.5-4.8, MD Macro 35-70 f3.5, Md 70-210 f4, MD Rokkor X 75-200 f4.5, MD 100-200 f5.6
Nikon Nikkor 4/20, O Auto 2/35, S Auto 1.4/50..... Miranda Auto 2.8/28, Auto 2.8/35, Auto 1.4/50, Auto EC 1.4/50, Auto 1.8/50, Auto EC 1.8/50,Auto 1.9/50, Auto 3.5/135
Various Soligor,Sun,Fujita,Komura,Spitatone, etc. Lenses
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Univer
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 282
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Univer wrote:
Hey there,
Thanks for the link. (I forgot to check with the good old Captain.)
I would probably class these differences - the single row of aperture numbers instead of double, and the green highlighting of the "16" instead of the "11" - as running cosmetic changes within a single version rather than a distinct version, but that's just me. Heaven knows there are similarly small differences among lenses and cameras that are generally accepted by collectors as version differences!
But at least these are all preset T-mounts, with most of the design details in common.
Cheers,
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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mo wrote:
What a nice Soligor 85mm in that link! _________________ Moira, Moderator
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walter g
Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2463 Location: NC, USA
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walter g wrote:
There is a list floating around the net. I'm sure most people on this forum has seen it. It a list of lens with specs and builld dates from the 1960's thru the 1980's. It lists the Soligor 85 1.5 as coming out in 1968.
So there is an early version out there somewhere.Never seen one yet.
There was also a Miranda Soligor version made, that was out in 1967 possibly earlier. _________________
Main cameras
Panasonic G5,Nikon J1,Pentax Q10,Sony Nex 6
Minolta MC W SI 2.5/28, MD 2.8/28, MC W SG 3.5/28, MC Celtic 3.5/28, MC W HG 2.8/35, MD Celtic 2.8/35, QE 4/35, Rokkor X 2/45, MC Rokkor X PG 1.4/50, MC Rokkor X PG 1.7/50, MD Rokkor X 1.7/50, MD 2/50, MC Rokkor PF 1.7/55, MC Rokkor PF 1.9/55, Auto Tele Rokkor PG 2.8/135, MC Tele Rokkor QD 3.5/135, TC 4/135, MC Celtic 4/200, MC Tele Rokkor PE 4.5/200
MD 28-70 f3.5-4.8, MD Macro 35-70 f3.5, Md 70-210 f4, MD Rokkor X 75-200 f4.5, MD 100-200 f5.6
Nikon Nikkor 4/20, O Auto 2/35, S Auto 1.4/50..... Miranda Auto 2.8/28, Auto 2.8/35, Auto 1.4/50, Auto EC 1.4/50, Auto 1.8/50, Auto EC 1.8/50,Auto 1.9/50, Auto 3.5/135
Various Soligor,Sun,Fujita,Komura,Spitatone, etc. Lenses
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