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CZJ Sonnar 2/85 Contax - my birthday present
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:44 pm    Post subject: CZJ Sonnar 2/85 Contax - my birthday present Reply with quote

Well, I received some money as gift this year from my relatives, and I was planning to just store it,
but while browsing around I stumbled upon this lens... Rolling Eyes





It's a Sonnar 2/85 in Contax mount. Not rare, but not so common to find either.
(for those who don't know, it's the "dad" of the whole Jupiter-9 breed).
At the price I found it (290 Eur, just CLAd, with two years guarantee, original case and a vintage Zeiss yellow filter on chrome mount
which alone is probably worth 40-50 Euros), almost impossible.
It's post-war, but one of the earliest batches, the date (september 1947) makes me guess with almost certainty
that it was made assembling parts made before the war, or in any case using materials stocked before the war. And, it's T, which most of pre-war copies are not.
The production of this lens by the Jena factory stopped in 1949, a good 10 years before the production of the Contax cameras in Stuttgart ended,
which is a sure sign (in my opinion) that the production stopped when the pre-war parts and materials stocks in Jena ended, and that they did choose to not
purchase new materials for what was a costly lens, probably too costly and elitist for post-war East Germany.
Well, to cut it short, I reserved it Rolling Eyes At worst, I can easily re-sell it, even with a profit.
I should get it early next week. Smile So I'll finally have a good tele lens for my M mount cameras Smile (via amedeo's adapter)
and of course, for my Contax cameras as well.


Last edited by Orio on Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:50 am; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one!
And nice relatives, too Smile


PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twinquartz wrote:
Nice one!
And nice relatives, too Smile


Thanks. Yes, they learned by now that I'm not really happy when I receive a shirt or a perfume, and they don't know the lenses and
where to get them, so they gave up and now simply give me a money present with which I can buy what makes me happy Very Happy


PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations, Orio!

What a nice present.

BTW, does the Amedeo adapter work well?


PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LucisPictor wrote:
Congratulations, Orio!
What a nice present.
BTW, does the Amedeo adapter work well?


Thanks Carsten. Yes, I have it since a couple of years and it works well so far.
I have not tested it for absolute accuracy (did not make a ruler test, too lazy),
nor I did test it on all the lenses I have,
but it seems to work generally ok on both the M9 and the Zeiss Ikon.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, happy birthday to you!


PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a catch and what nice relatives. Unfortunately I have cancelled birthdays for myself from lack of interest! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


patrickh


PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the few lens what I want really, congrats!!


PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a birthday present!! Very Happy Shocked Very Happy Congratulations, Orio! Very Happy


PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

..What they all said! Razz


PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I can't wait to try it Smile


PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note: I have edited the title thread to make it more google friendly, and moved the thread to manual lenses forum because I
add some technical content now.
I add here an image © by Marco Cavina that compares the MTF lines of the Contarex 2/85 Sonnar (optically identical to the
Contax rangefinder version, of course corrected for the different registration distance) and the Contax/Yashica SLR 2.8/85 Sonnar.
The image is taken from this very interesting article by Marco who compares the optics of the Contarex line with the more modern
followers in the Contax SLR line: http://www.marcocavina.com/articoli_fotografici/zeiss_contarex_mtf/00_pag.htm



As Marco states in his article, it's really about two different types of Sonnar lens. The Contax RF/Contarex lens is a true Sonnar type
with 7 elements in three groups, while the Contax SLR lens is more of an evolved Ernostar scheme (Ernostar was the predecessor
to the Sonnar type). In fact, the SLR lens is almost identical to the original Ernostar, with the exception of the last cemented group.

The performance of the modern SLR Sonnar is of course superior in terms of resolution (suffice it to compare the 40 lpm curves),
but it is interesting to note that the sagittal and tangential lines in the old Sonnar are much closer to each other, a clear sign that the
old lens is less affected by chromatic aberration. As Marco notes, the lower refraction glasses used in the Contax SLR version provide
a big advantage in resolvance wide open (although it is worth remembering that the SLR lens is one stop slower), but the down side
is the chromatic aberration that even at f/5.6 afflicts not only the 40 lpm curve (significantly already at half the lenght), but also the
20mm curve, which means that at the edges of the frame signs of CA become visible not only in the smallest details.

I find it curious and somehow ironic that these old lenses, calculated in a time when photography for most people was only B&W, show in fact a more
colour corrected performance than modern lenses made in a time when photography was mostly colour. Smile

P.S. Note how well the old lens does in the 10 lpm lines, in spite of the single coating vs. the T* multi coating of the SLR lens!