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KhanX

Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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Location: Bangkok, Thailand, München, Göttingen, Germany

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: Triotar 4/135 Vs Sonnar 4/135, what you choose?

KhanX wrote: Hi everybody, I have a questions as above and which lens do you choose? What are the main different? I've found that Triotar is older than Sonnar but I like and old stuff. Thank you for all questions. _________________ Camera : Leica M8, Sony Nex5, Sigma SD14, Canon 5D, Olympus E-1, Panasonic DMC L1, Pentax K10D Grand Prix, Nikon D1X, Contax RTS III, Contax 167MT, Exakta RTL1000, Minolta X-700, Canon T90, Canon F-1, Pentacon Six TL Lens : Tele : Canon FD 300mm f2.8 s.s.c. fluorite, Mamiya 645 500mm f5.6, Pentacon 500mm f5.6, Sigma APO 300mm f4 macro, Nikkor Reflex C 500mm f8, Canon FD 200mm f2.8 s.s.c., Rubinar 300mm f4.5 mirror Macro : Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.8, Vivitar VMC 100mm f2.8 Macro, Panagor PMC 90mm f2.8, Edicar 90mm f2.8 Macro, Nikon Micro 55mm f3.5, Takumar 50mm f4 Macro, Nikon Non AI 55mm f3.5 Micro, SMC Takumar 100mm f4 macro, Canon FD 100mm f4 Macro, Canon FD 200mm f4 Macro, Volna-9 50mm f2.8 Short tele : Pentacon Six 120mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Contax T* 100mm f2, Meyer optik Trioplan 100MM F2.8, Porst 135mm f1.8, Sigmatel ys 135mm f1.8, Schneider 135mm f3.5, Makinon 135mm f3.5, Komura 135mm f3.5, Hexanon 100mm f2.8, Schneider Variogon 80-240mm 4.5, Schneider 135mm f4 Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4 Wide : Leica Elmerit M 28mm f2.8 asph, Zeiss Contax 21mm f2.8, Zeiss Flextogon 20mm f2.8, Exakta 24mm f2.8 macro, Tokina 17mm f4

Jesito

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject:

Jesito wrote: Don't can you get both? I own both of them, and it would be difficult to me to select one to keep. Maybe the Triotar is a little more sharp and the Sonnar has a better bockeh (IMHO). I definitely will keep both... Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator Jesito's backsack: Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250. Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1 TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2 Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3 Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10 CSCCanon EOS-M, Samsung NX100 and NX210, Lumix G5, NEX-F3

KhanX

Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject:

KhanX wrote:

Jesito wrote:

Don't can you get both? Wink

I own both of them, and it would be difficult to me to select one to keep. Maybe the Triotar is a little more sharp and the Sonnar has a better bockeh (IMHO).

I definitely will keep both... Smile

Jes.

Thanks for fast reply Jesito. Laughing

Could you please show me some pics from these two lens.

Thanks for advance. Laughing

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Lens :
Tele : Canon FD 300mm f2.8 s.s.c. fluorite, Mamiya 645 500mm f5.6, Pentacon 500mm f5.6, Sigma APO 300mm f4 macro, Nikkor Reflex C 500mm f8, Canon FD 200mm f2.8 s.s.c., Rubinar 300mm f4.5 mirror

Macro : Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.8, Vivitar VMC 100mm f2.8 Macro, Panagor PMC 90mm f2.8, Edicar 90mm f2.8 Macro, Nikon Micro 55mm f3.5, Takumar 50mm f4 Macro, Nikon Non AI 55mm f3.5 Micro, SMC Takumar 100mm f4 macro, Canon FD 100mm f4 Macro, Canon FD 200mm f4 Macro, Volna-9 50mm f2.8

Short tele : Pentacon Six 120mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Contax T* 100mm f2, Meyer optik Trioplan 100MM F2.8, Porst 135mm f1.8, Sigmatel ys 135mm f1.8, Schneider 135mm f3.5, Makinon 135mm f3.5, Komura 135mm f3.5, Hexanon 100mm f2.8, Schneider Variogon 80-240mm 4.5, Schneider 135mm f4

Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4

Wide : Leica Elmerit M 28mm f2.8 asph, Zeiss Contax 21mm f2.8, Zeiss Flextogon 20mm f2.8, Exakta 24mm f2.8 macro, Tokina 17mm f4

Orio

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject:

Orio wrote: I used to have both lenses, now I only have the Sonnar because it's superior in my opinion. Some Sonnar 4/135 photos of mine: Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - wide open Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - stopped down Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - stopped down Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - slightly stopped down Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - stopped down Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - slightly stopped down Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - wide open 100% crop Wide open: _________________ Orio, Administrator T* NE CEDE MALIS AUDENTIOR ITO Ferrania film is reborn! http://www.filmferrania.it/ Support the Ornano film chemicals company and help them survive! http://forum.mflenses.com/ornano-chemical-products-t55525.html

Attila

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject:

Attila wrote: http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/zeiss/sonnar/carl_zeiss_jena_sonnar_135mm_f4_t_coated/ http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/zeiss/sonnar/sonnar_4_135_exakta/ http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/zeiss/sonnar/sonnar_13_5cm_f4_5/ http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/zeiss/sonnar/135mmzebra/ triotar: http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/zeiss/triotar_135mm/ _________________ ------------------------------- Items on sale on Ebay Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8

Orio

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject:

Orio wrote: Khan if you wish a triplet lens, I'd recommend you check Meyer's Trioplan, which is a better lens than the Triotar in my opinion. Sonnar however is preferable to both in my opinion. _________________ Orio, Administrator T* NE CEDE MALIS AUDENTIOR ITO Ferrania film is reborn! http://www.filmferrania.it/ Support the Ornano film chemicals company and help them survive! http://forum.mflenses.com/ornano-chemical-products-t55525.html

KhanX

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject:

KhanX wrote: Great pics Orio, you make me stunt with the sharpness and bokeh of Sonnar. I have Meyer Optik Trioplan 2/100mm, Exakta mount. I found that it give best bokeh but not sharpness. Anyway, I'll try it again. Thank you for the good link, Attila. _________________ Camera : Leica M8, Sony Nex5, Sigma SD14, Canon 5D, Olympus E-1, Panasonic DMC L1, Pentax K10D Grand Prix, Nikon D1X, Contax RTS III, Contax 167MT, Exakta RTL1000, Minolta X-700, Canon T90, Canon F-1, Pentacon Six TL Lens : Tele : Canon FD 300mm f2.8 s.s.c. fluorite, Mamiya 645 500mm f5.6, Pentacon 500mm f5.6, Sigma APO 300mm f4 macro, Nikkor Reflex C 500mm f8, Canon FD 200mm f2.8 s.s.c., Rubinar 300mm f4.5 mirror Macro : Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.8, Vivitar VMC 100mm f2.8 Macro, Panagor PMC 90mm f2.8, Edicar 90mm f2.8 Macro, Nikon Micro 55mm f3.5, Takumar 50mm f4 Macro, Nikon Non AI 55mm f3.5 Micro, SMC Takumar 100mm f4 macro, Canon FD 100mm f4 Macro, Canon FD 200mm f4 Macro, Volna-9 50mm f2.8 Short tele : Pentacon Six 120mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Contax T* 100mm f2, Meyer optik Trioplan 100MM F2.8, Porst 135mm f1.8, Sigmatel ys 135mm f1.8, Schneider 135mm f3.5, Makinon 135mm f3.5, Komura 135mm f3.5, Hexanon 100mm f2.8, Schneider Variogon 80-240mm 4.5, Schneider 135mm f4 Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4 Wide : Leica Elmerit M 28mm f2.8 asph, Zeiss Contax 21mm f2.8, Zeiss Flextogon 20mm f2.8, Exakta 24mm f2.8 macro, Tokina 17mm f4

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject:

Jesito wrote: Look here for my Triotar and samples: http://forum.mflenses.com/new-arrived-czj-triotar-135-4-t12262,highlight,triotar.html From a size point of view, the Sonnar is much more compact and manageable. Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator Jesito's backsack: Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250. Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1 TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2 Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3 Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10 CSCCanon EOS-M, Samsung NX100 and NX210, Lumix G5, NEX-F3

KhanX

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject:

KhanX wrote:

Jesito wrote:

Look here for my Triotar and samples:

http://forum.mflenses.com/new-arrived-czj-triotar-135-4-t12262,highlight,triotar.html

From a size point of view, the Sonnar is much more compact and manageable.

Jes.

Thanks a lot Jes.

I visited your post and found that you have the great gear.
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Lens :
Tele : Canon FD 300mm f2.8 s.s.c. fluorite, Mamiya 645 500mm f5.6, Pentacon 500mm f5.6, Sigma APO 300mm f4 macro, Nikkor Reflex C 500mm f8, Canon FD 200mm f2.8 s.s.c., Rubinar 300mm f4.5 mirror

Macro : Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.8, Vivitar VMC 100mm f2.8 Macro, Panagor PMC 90mm f2.8, Edicar 90mm f2.8 Macro, Nikon Micro 55mm f3.5, Takumar 50mm f4 Macro, Nikon Non AI 55mm f3.5 Micro, SMC Takumar 100mm f4 macro, Canon FD 100mm f4 Macro, Canon FD 200mm f4 Macro, Volna-9 50mm f2.8

Short tele : Pentacon Six 120mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Contax T* 100mm f2, Meyer optik Trioplan 100MM F2.8, Porst 135mm f1.8, Sigmatel ys 135mm f1.8, Schneider 135mm f3.5, Makinon 135mm f3.5, Komura 135mm f3.5, Hexanon 100mm f2.8, Schneider Variogon 80-240mm 4.5, Schneider 135mm f4

Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4

Wide : Leica Elmerit M 28mm f2.8 asph, Zeiss Contax 21mm f2.8, Zeiss Flextogon 20mm f2.8, Exakta 24mm f2.8 macro, Tokina 17mm f4

A G Photography

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject:

A G Photography wrote: The Zeiss Triotar is completely different than Meyer Trioplan. And in the right light condition the Triotar is tack sharp and with a great 3d effect. On a crop camera the Triotar doesn't show its greater weakness, alas the softness at the borders. _________________ Alessandro My Photography Website My Blog about Photography and Italian Cuisine My Photostream on Flickr -------------------------------------------------------- DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410 SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6 Lenses Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6 CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8 CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4 CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8 Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5 Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4 Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4 Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8

Attila

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject:

Attila wrote: Alessandro you are ambassador of old lenses ! Amazing samples! Now I have different eyes about Trioplan , my I replace my samples with yours in mflenses.com/gallery ? If yes please put them into your MFL Club Gallery. _________________ ------------------------------- Items on sale on Ebay Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8

A G Photography

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject:

A G Photography wrote:

Attila wrote:

Alessandro you are ambassador of old lenses ! Amazing samples! Now I have different eyes about Trioplan , my I replace my samples with yours in mflenses.com/gallery ? If yes please put them into your MFL Club Gallery.

I will, let me find the files Very Happy

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My Photography Website
My Blog about Photography and Italian Cuisine
My Photostream on Flickr
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject:

Attila wrote: Many thanks! _________________ ------------------------------- Items on sale on Ebay Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject:

Orio wrote:

A G Photography wrote:

The Zeiss Triotar is completely different than Meyer Trioplan.

Identical optical scheme (Cooke's anastigmatic triplet).

http://www.personalfoto.it/Storia%20schemi%20ottici-25.htm
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A G Photography

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject:

A G Photography wrote:

Orio wrote:

A G Photography wrote:

The Zeiss Triotar is completely different than Meyer Trioplan.

Identical optical scheme (Cooke's anastigmatic triplet).

http://www.personalfoto.it/Storia%20schemi%20ottici-25.htm

I know they're both triplets, still their rendering is completely different, probably caused by the different minimum aperture or the glass used, I don't really know, I'm no optic engineer Very Happy

.

Triotar at f4 is sharp, Trioplan is still very very soft in a dreamy way. At f8 and above they're about the same with the Triotar still sharper though.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, actually I love both of them.
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RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
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Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject:

Attila wrote: And one more note pre-war Meyer lenses are sharp like Zeiss ... pre-war Triotar also sharper than post war. _________________ ------------------------------- Items on sale on Ebay Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject:

Maxim wrote:

A G Photography wrote:

(...)Triotar at f4 is sharp, Trioplan is still very very soft in a dreamy way (...)

I have two copies of Trioplan.
My first copy (late 50's) gives very noticeable glow at F2.8 and is sharp stopped down to F4 - as you can see on this photo:

Older version (mid 50's) at F2.8 gives slighter glow than the first. When stopped down - isn't as sharp as first copy (but is still good).

I haven't any experience with CZJ Triotar - but at one time I'll buy it. I'm dreaming about old, chrome version made in 40's Smile

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject:

Attila wrote: Old chrome available time to time on low price on Ebay I have two or three copy of them . One looks brand new, and not works at all, another has broken aperture and might be third ok _________________ ------------------------------- Items on sale on Ebay Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject:

estudleon wrote:

Orio wrote:

I used to have both lenses, now I only have the Sonnar because it's superior in my opinion.

Some Sonnar 4/135 photos of mine:

Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - wide open

Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - stopped down

Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - slightly stopped down

Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - stopped down

Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - slightly stopped down

Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 - wide open

100% crop Wide open:

Hi Orio!

Using tripod, eh Twisted Evil

Rino.
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Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9

Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.

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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject:

Orio wrote:

estudleon wrote:

Hi Orio!
Using tripod, eh Twisted Evil

Rino.

Sorry Rino, believe it or not, that was hand-held Cool

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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:08 am Post subject:

KhanX wrote:

A G Photography wrote:

The Zeiss Triotar is completely different than Meyer Trioplan.

And in the right light condition the Triotar is tack sharp and with a great 3d effect.

On a crop camera the Triotar doesn't show its greater weakness, alas the softness at the borders.

I like the first one, great 3D Very Happy

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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:10 am Post subject:

KhanX wrote:

Orio wrote:

estudleon wrote:

Hi Orio!
Using tripod, eh Twisted Evil

Rino.

Sorry Rino, believe it or not, that was hand-held Cool

Oh no. You have a stable arm. I wish I can as you are. Smile

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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:15 am Post subject:

Orio wrote:

KhanX wrote:

Oh no. You have a stable arm. I wish I can as you are. Smile

Just luck, Khan. Smile

And... I'd trade that stability for your model anytime Laughing

estudleon

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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject:

estudleon wrote:

Orio wrote:

estudleon wrote:

Hi Orio!
Using tripod, eh Twisted Evil

Rino.

Sorry Rino, believe it or not, that was hand-held Cool

Forza, Orio!!! Laughing

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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9

Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.

RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar.

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