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Hari
Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 1790
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: Nokton 58 1.4 / Nikon 50mm 1.4 D / Zeiss Planar T* 50mm F1.4 |
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Hari wrote:
Hi all,
I still have some funds left for buying lenses and wanted your opinion
Im between these lenses:
Nokton 58 1.4 / Nikon 50mm 1.4 D / Zeiss Planar T* 50mm F1.4
To use on my D90
My main criteria:
1. smooth and silky bokeh
2. good in low light situations
3. minimal distortion/ca
Please advise
Regards,
Hari _________________
Analogue Rangefinders: Leica M5, Leica M6 Titanium classic 0.72, Leica M7 0.58, Leica M7 0.85
Digital Rangefinder: Leica M9, Leica Monochrom, Leica M240
SLR: Leica R3 electronic, Canon AE1P
DSLR: Canon 5D MK2
M mount Lenses: Super-Wide Heliar 15/f4.5 ASPH. + Leica 24/f3.8 ASPH + Leica 28/f2 ASPH. + Leica 35/f1.4 ASPH. FLE + Leica Noctilux 50/f0.95 + Leica Noctilux 50/f1 + Canon 50/f1.2 LTM + Leica 50/f1.4 ASPH. + Leica 50/f1.5 + Zeiss ZM Sonnar 50/f1.5 + Leica APO Summicron 50/f2 + Leica Summitar 50/f2 + Leica Rigid Summicron 50/f2 + Zeiss ZM Planar 50/f2 + Leica 50/f2.8 E39 + Leica 75/f1.4 + Leica APO 75/f2 ASPH. + Voigtlander 75/f2.5 + Leica Summarex 85/f1.5 + Leica APO 90/f2 ASPH. + Leica 90/f2 E55 + Leica 90/f2.8 + Leica APO 135/f3.4
Leica R mount Lenses: Leica-R 60/2.8 E55 + Leica-R 80/1.4 E67 + Leica-R 180/4
EF mount Lenses: Canon 50/1.8 II
M42 mount Lenses: Too many
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Planar of course I don't know others _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Nokton 58 1.4 / Nikon 50mm 1.4 D / Zeiss Planar T* 50mm |
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Esox lucius wrote:
Use Flickr to search for lens samples, really. Best way to form an opinion about the lens.
What I remember from using them:
1. Zeiss ZF 50/1.4 bokeh is worst of the three, Nikkor 50/1.4D is not that good bokeh either (Nikkor 50/1.4 Ai-S and 50/1.4G AF-S are much better). Nokton best bokeh of the three you are choosing from. This is personal opinion of course, bokeh is subjective.
2. Splitting hairs finding differences, really. Nikkor 50/1.4D AF may save some shots on a D90 in low light, the D90 viewfinder is not so good for manual focusing and low light increases difficulty factor.
3. As a Nikon user you will get the least CA with the Nikkor, provided that you use either on-camera JPEG or Capture NX RAW conversion. Nikon has programmed their own CPU-equipped lenses into the firmware & software = they know how to auto-correct them. Sadly they don't support 3rd party lenses with the same attention. _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:20 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Planar of course I don't know others |
+1 _________________ T* |
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xjjohnno
Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1270 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:36 am Post subject: |
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xjjohnno wrote:
I only know the Voigtlander which joined the collection a couple of weeks ago so can't really comment. I can show some pics with the lens from my first day of using it.
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
Well... reading the Photozone reviews of all three lenses when used on Nikon crop sensor seems to turn the tables somewhat (I've used them on full-frame).
1. Nokton because of least distortion, best detail (au par with Zeiss) and least CA
2. Nikkor least detail of the three but better corrected (distortion, CA) than Zeiss
3. Planar blooming with CA and highest barrel distortion of all, sad because detail is best of them all
http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/255-zeiss-planar-zf-t-50mm-f14-review--lab-test-report
http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/216-nikkor-af-50mm-f14-d-review--lab-test-report
http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/360-voigtlander-nokton-58mm-f14-sl-ii
Planar and Nokton are both manufactured by Cosina btw. |
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james
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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james wrote:
You might also consider the ZF 2/50 Makro Planar. In many ways superior to the ZF 1,4/50 and it can do double duty as a macro when needed. The recessed front element is well shielded from stray light.
Here's Photozone's review on a crop sensor:
http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/259-zeiss-zf-makro-planar-t-50mm-f2-review--test-report |
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integrale
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 136 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: |
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integrale wrote:
You may also want to consider a Leitz/Leica 50mm; they come in f/1.4 (Summilux), f/2 (Summicron) and f/2.8 (Elmarit). Various sellers offer conversion kits to Nikon F-mount (e.g. leitax.com).
I have the Summicron (f/2) and use it frequently on my D700. It gives very pleasing IQ, including bokeh (remember though, that 'quality' of bokeh is a matter of personal taste).
I also have the Voigtländer Nokton; it is very different from the Leica; much softer pictures with less contrast and detail, but with a nice "warm" signature and very nice for portraits! _________________ Jakob |
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
For the price of the Summilux-R 50/1.4 you can get the Voigtländer SL 58/1.4 Nokton, Zeiss Planar T* 50/1.4, Summicron-R 50/2 and the Nikkor 50/1.4D AF and still have some money to spend
I will post some Nokton 58/1.4 samples tomorrow, I acquired a mint 58/1.4 Nokton today. _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180 |
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integrale
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 136 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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integrale wrote:
You're right about the high price for a Summilux
I really like the Nokton, and it's reasonably sharp too (D700 & Voigtländer Nokton 58/1.4 @ f/8 ):
_________________ Jakob |
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Orio
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Esox lucius wrote: |
For the price of the Summilux-R 50/1.4 you can get the Voigtländer SL 58/1.4 Nokton, Zeiss Planar T* 50/1.4, Summicron-R 50/2 and the Nikkor 50/1.4D AF and still have some money to spend |
Not if it's a used one like mine
I sell it - here - for 400 Euros.
If someone is interested...
_ _________________ Orio, Administrator
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integrale
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 136 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:54 am Post subject: |
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integrale wrote:
Orio - that's a very competitive price! Unfortunately, I'm on a (self-imposed) very strict no-new-lenses diet... _________________ Jakob |
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egidio
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 222 Location: slovenia
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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egidio wrote:
is Nikon 50mm 1.4 D much cheaper that planar? I'd go for that one. Planar has (MHO) more ca but also better contrast. _________________ I use: Flektogon 2.8/20, Flektogon 2.8/35, planar 50mm/1.4, Takumar 1.4/50mm, Takumar 1.9/85, MIR 24H, Mir1v, Industar-50-2, Helios-44-2, Pentacon 2.8/135, cyclop 85 1.5 |
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