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Orio
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 Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:18 am Post subject: CZJ Sonnar 4/135 on 5D Mark II |
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Orio wrote:
Lens from 1961, my old friend (I have two of them), old as me 
whole resized:
100% crop:
Focused on the fly (no liveview).
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:49 am Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
Is it that one?
One of my favourite lenses!
Pictures made last Sunday:
 
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estudleon
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:56 am Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Hi.
Nice colors and contrast. I like the bokeh too. But I don't see high resolution like I hoped with the zeiss lens. Perhaps my monitor or my old eyes. 
If the lens was used at F/4, the resolution is OK. That class of lenses usually has the best performance near of F/5,6-8 and not improved with small apertures. But I don't know with your zeiss.
Nice 3D.
Rino.
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Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
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Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
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mflex-on
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:07 am Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
1:1 magnification. Maximum aperture.
Please consider it was a dull and rainy morning, overcast sky.
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poilu
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
 Zeiss!
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mflex-on
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:36 am Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
Man I am stupid! I have the original EOS 5D, please forget my samples! |
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Schnauzer
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Schnauzer wrote:
Nice Orio.
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| Focused on the fly (no liveview). |
At first I looked for the fly. Then I realized what you meant.
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
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Is it that one?
One of my favourite lenses!
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Yes! 
Such a lovely masterpiece of lens. I prefer it over the MC version.
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
Hi.
Nice colors and contrast. I like the bokeh too. But I don't see high resolution like I hoped with the zeiss lens. Perhaps my monitor or my old eyes.
If the lens was used at F/4, the resolution is OK. That class of lenses usually has the best performance near of F/5,6-8 and not improved with small apertures. But I don't know with your zeiss.
Nice 3D.
Rino. |
Actually, Rino, I have quite some good lenses in my arsenal, but this 4/135 fights in detail with lenses costing a lot more. It ìs low contrast compared to today lenses, that's for sure, and maybe this is why it fells for you with less detail.
Let me optimize the contrast of the picture and add a little sharpening (original crop was not sharpened):
P.S. yes, it was wide open, and I agree with you: what 3D in the whole image!
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Nice bokeh, but not the type I was expecting. It looks like the modern Samyang to me a little.
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
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| Nice bokeh, but not the type I was expecting. It looks like the modern Samyang to me a little. |
hi Martin, judge bokeh on the whole picture (not the last crop which is sharpened).
Yes, old Zeiss, and Sonnar especially, have a much smoother bokeh than the Contax lenses.
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estudleon
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| estudleon wrote: |
Hi.
Nice colors and contrast. I like the bokeh too. But I don't see high resolution like I hoped with the zeiss lens. Perhaps my monitor or my old eyes.
If the lens was used at F/4, the resolution is OK. That class of lenses usually has the best performance near of F/5,6-8 and not improved with small apertures. But I don't know with your zeiss.
Nice 3D.
Rino. |
Actually, Rino, I have quite some good lenses in my arsenal, but this 4/135 fights in detail with lenses costing a lot more. It ìs low contrast compared to today lenses, that's for sure, and maybe this is why it fells for you with less detail.
Let me optimize the contrast of the picture and add a little sharpening (original crop was not sharpened):
P.S. yes, it was wide open, and I agree with you: what 3D in the whole image!
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Nice, nice, nice. Great lens !!!!
I like it more than like the 3,5/135 CZJ -both-
3 D? I feel that can put my hand between the plne of focus and the background.
Rino.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Kram
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Kram wrote:
Wow, looks great to me! |
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Heathcliff
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Heathcliff wrote:
Orio, your copy is definitly better than mine ! 
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Jesito
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Jesito wrote:
Old Sonnar renders really nicely on the new FF cameras.
Good samples, Orio.
Regards.
Jes.
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