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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: Planar 2/100 ....My birthday lens |
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Orio wrote:
On the 11th of October, I will be one year older.
As my Birthday self-gift, I have decided to buy the " mystery" lens that I have been testing for the last few days.
It's not mine yet (I still have to pay for it, I only left a Eur 100 deposit), but the decision is taken, so here it is:
It's brand new, although it's probably been something like 20 years in stock in the shop I told you about.
The seller is the son of a person who died recently who had a photo shop in Reggio Emilia. The sons are now selling what remains of the stock of the shop. The autofocus lenses have been all sold to other shops. Only a few manual lenses remained, mostly for Rollei medium format or for Rollei 35mm, and as far as I know, these are going to be sold also soon to the local Rollei club.
There was this only Contax lens, a brand new, never touched Planar 2/100 made in Germany. It is complete with guarantee still valid and to be started, Zeiss quality certificate, lens pouch etc.
I got it for 600 Euros and no shipping expenses. On Ebay the lens is normally sold, used, from 900 to 1200 Euros.
This is one of the sharpest Zeiss lenses ever. If you look at the MTF tests of this lens and of the Planar 2/135, and compare them:
http://www.geocities.com/ilprode/135f2.htm
http://www.geocities.com/ilprode/100f2.htm
You will see that the 2/100 has a consistently higher resolvance than the 2/135, at all apertures. Differences go, depending on the aperture, from +0.2 to +0.5 MTF value - which is, a lot.
Now, if you have seen the pictures taken with my 2/135, you can figure out the things.
Now the hard part will be to fork out the remaining 500... but I can not let this lens go, it is a too good bargain to let it go. This lens model is rare, even used, because it was very expensive at the time, and only few of them were sold. Few 2/100 are to be found used on Ebay, and I would bet, that this is the only one (or almost) that one can find new.
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Attila
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Wow! Nice start to bankruptcy Hopefully you able to take it ! I wish very much! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I'm afraid that at this point I will have to sell my Canon EF 2/100.
It makes no sense to keep both.
If someone is interested, let me know. I have not decided on the final price yet, but it will be around Eur 400. The lens is practically new - I used it very little, and always with the UV filter, so glass is pristine.
Comes with original box. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Attila
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Do it! Carl Zeiss is a Carl Zeiss _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Yep. Well, it's AF but it's very good, so I can recommend it to everyone with a Canon camera. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Puplet wrote:
Lovely... |
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Seymore wrote: |
Sweeeeet!!! Good find Orio!
So, what lenses are you putting up to finance this purchase? We're waiting for your announcement. |
The Canon EF 2/100 is the sacrifical lamb.
I'm afraid it's of no interest for you Nikoneer. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I took this quick shot to show you the resolution of this lens.
It's a 1000 ISO, hand held shot at 1/50 sec, aperture wide open.
Usual warning applies, if the browser will resize the big images, make sure you click on them or do what is necessary to show them to full size.
Here's a 1152 pixels resized whole image:
And here's a 100% crop of the focused area:
The crop is NOT sharpened, so consider that what you see was antialiased by the 5D. Also, the ISO 1000 means a lot of micro detail lost. And still... you can see almost everything like if it was sharpened.
With this lens, if I shall shoot at ISO 100, and with a tripod (or very fast time) I will not have to sharpen the output at all.
Incidentally, note the very good blur in spite of the busy background, and, the depth effect which is the mark of Zorro... no, sorry of Zeiss _________________ Orio, Administrator
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patrickh
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Orio
Happy birthday and what a gift! As a nikoneer I must admit to a sincere desire to obtain Zeiss lenses, especially now they are made for our cameras. But, I canceled birthdays a long time ago out of lack of interest (and not wanting to be reminded of the passage of time - fugit too fast). You are one of the relatively few who will more than do this lens justice - take it to your carnival in Febbraio.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
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M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Thank you Patrick. I always loved my birthdays, but this one will be the first without my father so it will be a sad one I hope that the lens will help a bit.
I will surely take this lens to the Carnival, but my real wish would be to make some portrait photography, which I can not do, for lack of good and willing models. I have a lot of ideas for portraits, series of portraits whose concept I have in mind, but no model to realize them with. Perhaps next time instead of buying a lens, I should hire a model or two. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Obi-Wan, that is a most formidable lightsabre! Happy Upcoming
Birthday, Orio!
Bill |
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pilant
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:45 am Post subject: |
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pilant wrote:
Very nice lens Orio, and Happy Birth Day in advance.
Your 100 Euros deposit for this lens is more than my three 135 lenses. _________________ Olympus E-500 Olympus E-330
Pentacon 1.8/50, CZJ Tessar 2.8/50
Konica Hexanon AR 1.8/40, SMC Pentax 1.7/50, Olympus Zuiko 1.8/50, Olympus Zuiko 3.5/135
and some more................................... |
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Thanks Bill and Pilant.
Pilant, I tell you a secret, but shhhh don't tell anyone: I have as much fun photographing with my 7 Euros Jupiter-37AM, as I have with my $$$ Contax lenses. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Ballu
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: |
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Ballu wrote:
wow.. So your bash has already started.... Just yesterday I was reading about this lens,
http://photo.net/equipment/contax/shea-lenses
Although not popular but got 5-star from CDI (some one should tell me about CDI)....
Its one of the best Zeiss lens ever made..
But whats the reason of going to this.. I think you already have Zeiss 85mm and 135mm? _________________ -Ballu
http://balyanpage.blogspot.com/ |
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Ballu, what is "my bash"? I don't understand.
I buy this lens for three reasons:
1 I can buy it for a very good price, this means that if I need to sell it I can even make a profit from it. Or, I can sell my Canon EF 2/100 or one of my Helios-40 anytime and get back some money - that's the good part of buying valuable lenses, you can also sell them, because there's always a demand for them.
2 it's true that 100mm is similar to 85mm, but, how many 85 and 100 mm I have already? I am already way past the logical photographer's border line, and well into the collectioner's territtory: it's not one lens more or less that's going to change that.
3 I love it! and this is the best, feature-wise, of the Contax lenses I have, so I wanted to see how far it pushes the limit.
That article is correct. From a production point of view, a "give-me-results" attitude, there is no sense in buying manual focus Zeiss lenses, when Canon L lenses can give professional results with less effort. But as an artist (or one who hopes to be such), I look at the character of a lens, more than to how productive it is. For my needs, a lens does not have to perform 100 impeccable pictures in one hour, because I don't shoot marriages and don't do photography for a living. For me, my lens has to deliver the most pleasing (to me! subjectively pleasing) result in those 4-5 photographs that I care about in one day. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Orio, #3 is the only reason needed! |
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Katastrofo wrote: |
Orio, #3 is the only reason needed! |
Yes, but not being Berlusconi, I also need to make purchases that comply with point #1.
Very rarely I make expenses that I know aren't reversible.
Good lenses are an investment, if you buy one at an advantage price, you don't fear buying it, because you know you can always get your money back if you need it .
I have no fear with this lens, I know that if I put it on Ebay tomorrow, I will get all my money back and then some more. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
This lens sounds like an old Bentley that can only mature like a savings
bond! I would've said a Cord LeBaron, but there's only 4 of those
in the world... |
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poilu
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:04 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Wow a new shining 100:2 at 600e
I am not jealous of you, you will be afraid to touch it and will never get it outside your house
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I will surely take this lens to the Carnival |
I bet you will take the Helios
Don't miss this one
Happy Birth Day
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
poilu wrote: |
I am not jealous... I am not jealous... I am not jealous... I am not jealous...
I am not jealous... I am not jealous... I am not jealous... I am not jealous...
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Poilu, why be jealous? the Makro-Planar that you have purchased is just as good (for some things even better), and you have bought it for a bargain price as well. Go out and take photographs with it. You have showed us nothing yet taken with that beautiful lens! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Please forgive my bad humor
Of course I am not jealous I am very happy for you. I know this is your dream lens and I hope it will help you feel a little better
sorry... |
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
poilu wrote: |
Please forgive my bad humor
Of course I am not jealous I am very happy for you. I know this is your dream lens and I hope it will help you feel a little better
sorry... |
Ok, now what about showing us some pictures from the Makro-Planar?
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Here's two pictures I made for testing in the last days:
whole resized, should be around f/4:
100% crop (click to enlarge, then again to set 100% if necessary):
whole resized, wide open:
100% crop (click to enlarge, then again to set 100% if necessary):
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
katzer wrote: |
Orio, best wishes for your birthday.
Nothing like a lens-treat on a birthday:)
The color of this lens from the photos you posted is wonderful. |
Yes, it's the Contax colour, very dense, old German- and Russian-style.
Since I started using these old lenses, I have almost forgotten what the "Saturation" control is.
One thing that impresses me favorably about this lens is the bokeh. It's even better than that of the 1.4/85 (which is already good) because with this lens also the highlights are more than decent.
katzer wrote: |
p.s.
My birthday was last week, and I clicked on a few buy-it-now buttons (Jupiter 37A, Tair 11 - Attila suggested I should get both, such a recommendation is easily accepted on a birthday, Mir 20 and a Volna-9 per your endorsements). |
Thank you Erez. You have made four EXCELLENT purchases. I love all four lenses you mentioned unconditionally, they are amongst my favorites. I only had to sell the MIR-20M in a moment of financial need - but I plan to buy another one.
You will love your new lenses. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
katzer wrote: |
I just realized that the flower picture was wide-open - wow that's extremely sharp.
Can the canon ef100 do that wide open? |
No, it's softer. It's not bad, it's more than acceptable, but it's not so sharp.
It recovers immediately at f/2.8, though.
Rumours say that at f/2 the Canon lens was made softer by design, in order to obtain an optimal bokeh (which is in fact excellent). _________________ Orio, Administrator
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