New Sony EVF camera + Zeiss lenses?

[no-X]

[ManualFocus-G]

Would be awesome if it came with a 1.5x crop

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/21/sony-alpha-ultra-compact-concept-hands-off-leaves-much-to-the-i/

[Spotmatic]

[quote="Shrek"]Would be awesome if it came with a 1.5x crop
[quote]

I think it would be even more awesome with a 1.0x crop!

[aleksanderpolo]

Um, 2x body + 1.6x body + 1.0x body would be totally sweet!

[rbelyell]

truly ugly design; sorry to be so vapid, but honestly, it looks like a blue brick! 2 years after the G1 and that's what they come up with aesthetically? wow!

[Arkku]

[rbelyell]

true, but since this was an 'unveiling' of sorts, you would think the marketing wizards would want to whet our appetite visually. i find it hard to believe, though possible, that they would come out with an incredibly ugly 'mock up' knowing the 'real' version is something quite sexy--doesnt make much sense to me, but who knows?

[aleksanderpolo]

As I remembered, the Olympus's prototype looks rather different from the actual offering, so hopefully this will be different looking when it comes out.

I hope that their mount is compatible with M lens unlike the Samsung offering, this factor alone kill the Samsung NX10 for me...

[Arkku]

[rbelyell]

[lulalake]

It's pretty typical Sony stuff, prop. mount, prop. memory cards, root kits, no support for past products. Sony basically sucks.

They make really innovative products then abandon them.

[Arkku]

[thePiRaTE!!]

[lulalake]

I'm being completely fair and am basing what I say on personal and historical events.

How many hardware, firmware, and software upgrades and glitch fixes has Canon, Nikon, Olympus etc had in the last 10 years? MANY! in the hundreds. How many hardware, firmware, and software upgrades and glitch fixes has Sony produced (Company wide) in the last 10 years?
I can think of ONE. That was for the F717 sensors. F828 None, Any for the alpha class Dslr's I don't know but I think very few. (If you want to do a counting contest then start counting)

How about imbedded root kits? Does Nikon or Panasonic or any other major Mfg imbed them?

Every camera Sony has made they have abandoned as far as upgrades and fixes except the F717 and tyhat was only because of threatened legal action.

I repeat, They make GREAT INNOVATIONS, then they abandon the cameras and produce other cameras rather than supporting their products.
I used to be solidly behind them but over the years I saw (and became one of) the people who left Sony by once they realized that Sony made great products but if there were problems just said "Too bad, buy another newer one".

Their business model is one of take the money and run.

[F16SUNSHINE]

[no-X]

can I have a few questions?

1. What is good on a tiny camera with interchangeable lenses? Why is the pocket size of the camera so important, when the lens makes it 5-times thicker, so it doesn't fit the pocket anyway?

It must be awesome to yuse the big lens on small grip-less body...

2. What is the sense of using retrofocal prime lenses on mirror-less cameras? Retrofocal lenses were designed to allow wide-angles on SLR cameras, where the space near film cannot be used by lens because of the mirror. Retrofocal primes (compared to classical wide-angle primes) are bigger, heavier, more prone to CA and more prone to distorsions.

Manufacturers knows it, but don't care. It would be needed to do some investmens to sensor development (better sensor microlenses) firstly, like Kodak+Leica did. That costs money, so it's easier to produce worse and bigger lenses instead - customers will buy it, they are amazed enough by compact mirror-less bodies, they don't need anything better...

[rbelyell]

no-x
i understand what youre getting at, but not everyone uses m4/3 cameras with big lenses. the big sell for them is their size AND versatility: they take cine lenses, slr lenses, rangefinder lenses--if its a lens it'll probably fit on an m4/3! that is pretty powerful.

for street photography they are like the old rangefinders in that they are inconspicuous. to be honest, i just the other day debated taking my 5d/planar 50/1.4 to a relative's birthday party, but opted for ep1 and wollensak c mount 25/1.9 instead, just because i didnt feel like dealing with a rig literally twice as big and heavy. i got some great shots!

also, i must say, i really dont understand why we complain about companies existing purely for profit--when will we learn that's why companies exist-to make profit!! they have always and will always exist only to make money; in doing so they have always and will always cut corners or do whatever they want/need to increase profit. it is the job of consumers and regulators to steer companies where society wants them to be. if consumers are smart enough to demand product support, and that demand is great enough to threaten company profits, viola! more responsive companies! if as voters we demand our regulators oversee the 'greening' of our corporations, viola again! greener companies. but we need to stop expecting companies to do anything beyond what they were created to do--create wealth, period. maybe then we can steer our own enthusiasm in a more productive way.

[lulalake]

[rawhead]

[F16SUNSHINE]

[no-X]