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Jim Schemel
Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 109 Location: United States
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: Wide Angle for 5D? |
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Jim Schemel wrote:
I am starting to look for a wide angle on my 5D. I currently have a 28mm Zeiss, which i like a lot but i want wider as wide as 17mm - 18mm. I am on a budget $400 or less.One thing i hate in a wide angle is CA.So what are your suggestions? Sample pics are always appreciated.Will be using mostly for Landscapes so likely will be stopped down most of the time
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supahmario
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 615 Location: Berlin, Germany
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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supahmario wrote:
i am not as experienced as others here but from my experiences it will be not easy to find a well enough corrected ultra-wide in that price range.
but if you can deal with some CA the tokina (or vivitar) 3.5/17 could be an affordable solution. (90-130€)
tokina 3.5/17 @ around f8... don't remember exactly.
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BenediktW
Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 336 Location: Solingen, Germany
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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BenediktW wrote:
I had the 17mm Vivitar, I wasn´t so happy with it.
I would try a Nikkor 20mm F4, this is a truly great lens. Or a Mamiya Sekor/SX 21mm F4.
But they are both pretty difficult to find. _________________ http://www.1979fotographie.de/
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Wide Angle for 5D? |
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Orio wrote:
Jim Schemel wrote: |
I am starting to look for a wide angle on my 5D. I currently have a 28mm Zeiss, which i like a lot but i want wider as wide as 17mm - 18mm. I am on a budget $400 or less.One thing i hate in a wide angle is CA.So what are your suggestions? Sample pics are always appreciated.Will be using mostly for Landscapes so likely will be stopped down most of the time
-Jim |
Well, Jim, in Italy we say that you can not have the wife drunk and the barrel full
Asking for a 17-18mm lens without optical flaws and for less than 400 USD, it's quite wishful thinking.
Let's see how the new Samyiang 14mm lens will do - perhaps it will do the miracle.
For now, the entry level for an optically good 17-18mm lens is around at least 800 USD _________________ Orio, Administrator
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Hey Jim I have a Carl Zeiss Flek 2.8/20 if you are interested.
The 2.8/20 is the later multi-coated one. Not to many of these floating around the US in near mint condition.
Send me a PM if your interested and I will search a price.
BTW
The Tokina is OK if you stop it to f8.
For the few extra degrees of view I would suggest a 20mm from Zeiss, Zuiko, or Nikkor.
Or even stretch the budget out for the newish CV 4.5/20 (I still prefer the older Zeiss or Zuiko) _________________ Moderator |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
i dont know, i think if youre willing to spend $400 you can get a pretty good lens... the flek 20, the arsat/mir 20, the tamron 17, the zenitar 16, i think people have had good experiences with these. i am glad you started this thread, because i myself had decided on the mir/arsat for a 20mm, but was very curious about forum members opinions of the tamron 17 vs the zenitar 16 on the 5d? hopefully, in addressing your question, this question will be answered as well.... _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
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trifox
Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3614 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
Hi Jim - I would support Andy's proposal ...
and also if there is a company which is able to eliminate CA in wide angle that is Zeiss -- from my experience -- I don't know Zuiko or others --
but Zeiss have some receipt how their CA 'looks nice' !
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
i dont know, i think if youre willing to spend $400 you can get a pretty good lens... the flek 20, the arsat/mir 20, the tamron 17, the zenitar 16, i think people have had good experiences with these. i am glad you started this thread, because i myself had decided on the mir/arsat for a 20mm, but was very curious about forum members opinions of the tamron 17 vs the zenitar 16 on the 5d? hopefully, in addressing your question, this question will be answered as well.... |
honestly my comparison did not show the tammy to be much of am improvement over the Tokina.
Which is to say both are good by f8 but not great.
YMMV _________________ Moderator |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
hey andy, thanks; do you have any thoughts on the zenitar? _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
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Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
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Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:27 am Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Sure
It can be best in class great or a lemon POS . Not much in between. I got lucky with a great copy.
But the Zenitar 16 is not a rectilinear lens it's a fisheye.
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Jim Schemel
Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 109 Location: United States
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Jim Schemel wrote:
Thanks for the input so far.My first choice was the C/Y 18mm f4 which i have seen on FM go for around $700.Maybe i will just need to wait and save until i can afford it.I am waiting to hear how the Samyang 14mm does.I have the 85mm f1.4 by Samyang and it is an awesome lens.
-Jim _________________ Sony NEX 7
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Leica Summaron 35 f2.8 (1961)
Leica Elmar 90 f4 (M39) 1955
135mm f4.5 Steinheil Munchen Culminar - M39
Canon 50 f1.8 S.C. FD
Canon 100-300 F5.6 FD
Canon 28 f2.8 FD |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:13 am Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
andy the sharpness on a lens of that FL is freakish!!! i assume its just a matter of luck on not getting a lemon... _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
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Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
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trifox
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:34 am Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
Possible 5D mirror contact with the 18mm
http://www.pebbleplace.com/Personal/Contax_db.html
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Maple Wang
Joined: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 37 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Maple Wang wrote:
How is the Zeiss 20mm F4 and Nikkor 20mm series?
Thanks |
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koji
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
If you do not mind a zoom lens, Tamron AF SP 17-35/2.8-4 is recommendable.
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BenediktW
Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 336 Location: Solingen, Germany
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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BenediktW wrote:
I also heard that the Tamron is way better than the Sigma with identical figures, but it is not cheap after all.
I would strongly recommend the 20mm F4 Nikkor, if this isn´t too close to your 28mm. I don´t know what´s more important to you, some % wider angle or some % better image quality
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Anu
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Wide Angle for 5D? |
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Anu wrote:
Jim Schemel wrote: |
One thing i hate in a wide angle is CA.So what are your suggestions? |
My suggestion is to eliminate the CA in post processing - it is quite trivial with just about any raw-converter.
In my opinion it is kind of funny how many old lenses actually function better in a digital environment than they did in the film era, mostly due to CA-correction. |
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Bruce
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote:
Im happy with my 17mm tamron? _________________ Digital: Canon 40d & 5DmkII, Film: Hasselblad 203fe/Zeiss 80/2.8 cfe
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