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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: Nikon F |
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NikonD wrote:
which Nikon F SLR should I take that has metering for my zenitar 16?
does F801 have metering for manual lenses? |
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Rob Leslie
Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 1103 Location: UK Swindon
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Rob Leslie wrote:
Most of the old non AF Nikons will meter manual lenses if they are Nikon mount. I'm not sure if the Nikon Zenitar is just an adaptor of a proper mount?
I still have and still use (Not often) an old EM 'Snapshot SLR' the only Nikon I ever bothered to keep, there are plenty of good manual Nikons to pick.
I had an 801 for a very short time back around 1994. It was the best of the series but none of them handled well or felt good.
I think to buy a S/H one would be a risk, they were not very well made and there was plenty to go wrong. I seem to remember they were fetching very little 10 years ago. _________________ Pentax K10D & K100D. Many Tamron Adaptall SP lenses, Fujinon f4.5 400mm. A loved Lens Baby 2, Lubitel triplet +++ and many film cameras. Mainly a Digital user inc G5, GR2
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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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NikonD wrote:
Do you happen to have (or anyone) a list of the nikon SLR cameras that will meter with manual lenses.... |
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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: |
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NikonD wrote:
for digital I have D80 (will be replaced)... I need something for my fisheye, so I can exploit full potencial of this lens... FF digitals are too expencive so I am considering film SLR a better solution... for now |
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
My Nikon F100 meters with all my M42 lenses. I've tried it with many old manual focus lenses and still have not found one which it would not meter with.
This page has a lot of good information on metering compatibility with Nikon bodies. Starts with digital, scroll down for F series.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
I'd urgently recommend one of the modular pro bodies (F to F5) for lens experiments, as only these have mirror locking. Best buy right now is the F4, which has the widest support for the many F-mount generations, and can be found (as many pros are clearing their inventories for the D3) very cheap. |
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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: |
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NikonD wrote:
well today I recieved Nikon F75... in mint condition, I cant find ANY scratches
25€ inc. shipping, unfortunately has no metering for manuals so I'm going to buy AF ultra wide lens (Tokina 19-35)
F801 is my choice for manual lenses... but first I'll try F75
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Rob Leslie
Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 1103 Location: UK Swindon
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Rob Leslie wrote:
The Tokina 19-35mm is a nice lens but I would not these days call it 'Ultra wide' 19mm will be nothing like the Zenitar on FF the Zen is a true 180 dia lens on FF and 19mm on crop is nothing. I use my Zenitar on 35mm Pentax ME Super as well as Crop DSLR. I also have the Sigma 10-20 which is good on crop but does also work on film with slight rounding on the corners at 10-12mm.
A very good Nikon owning friend has the Sigma 12-24 which he uses on his D70 and F5 SLR and I have used it on my old Nikon EM. It is very wide but still not as wide as the Zenitar on FF.
Have you looked at the Tokina 10-17 fisheye. I tried it and loved it and would buy except I still like the Zenitar and Peleng.
If you consider Sigma DO NOT buy before trying the actual lens you will have. I had to go through 4 copies before finding a good one, many of Sigma wides suffer from decentred focus due to quality control, some users may never notice it till they have used the lens for a while or tested for the problem.
Your idea of a film Nikon is a better one but get one of the cheap MF built like a tank F models, not the latter plastic rubbish.
I am not a film fanatic, I do prefer digital but I would not go far without my ME super with the Zenitar and a 24mm + a RF compact in my pocket.
801 your first choice? The F75 is a much better camera in all respects to the 801, I don't like either but if I had to I would go for the F75, but I would pay a bit more the F100 that is a real camera. _________________ Pentax K10D & K100D. Many Tamron Adaptall SP lenses, Fujinon f4.5 400mm. A loved Lens Baby 2, Lubitel triplet +++ and many film cameras. Mainly a Digital user inc G5, GR2
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Davidus
Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Posts: 190 Location: Prague, CZE
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Davidus wrote:
I use this thread for a question.
I'm thinking about going back to film (digital also keep). I'm interesting in Nikon platform and espesially F801. I want use Ai/AiS Nikkors only. Is it good choice? Or can anyone suggest any other Nikon camera? _________________ Sony A7, Pentax P30t
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Davidus wrote: |
I use this thread for a question.
I'm thinking about going back to film (digital also keep). I'm interesting in Nikon platform and espesially F801. I want use Ai/AiS Nikkors only. Is it good choice? Or can anyone suggest any other Nikon camera? |
Easier to suggest if we know your budget, all Nikon are great ones, but their price levels are very vary. _________________ -------------------------------
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Davidus
Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Posts: 190 Location: Prague, CZE
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Davidus wrote:
Of course. Maybe about 100 euros. But if you know about some cheaper and good... _________________ Sony A7, Pentax P30t
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
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Of course. Maybe about 100 euros. But if you know about some cheaper and good... |
100 EUR shoud enough for a used looking, but good working Nikon FA. Lovely superb camera I have this one. _________________ -------------------------------
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:22 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I would suggest one of the Nikon F-series (F, F2, F3, F4, F5) or the FE or FM. I know for a fact that all of these cameras will meter mf lenses, and that they all will allow one to mount the older pre-AI Nikkors as well. Most of the later Nikons will not.
I own an F2 and I'll never sell it. It is one of the finest mechanical, manual focus cameras ever made. _________________ Michael
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:52 am Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
Attila and cooltouch have mentioned some very nice Nikons. The FE and FE2 are fine cameras, same said for the FA, and all the F series cameras.
The EL is also quite nice and well worth looking into.
This is my most used and favorite Nikon.
Here's my EL
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Fujica: ST605N-ST701-ST705-ST705W-ST801-ST901-AZ1-AX-3
Chinon: CE4s-CM4s-CM5
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:02 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that either the FE2 or the FA will accept pre-AI Nikkors that haven't been converted. That's why I restricted my recommendations to the FM and FE, in addition to the F-series. Of course the Nikkormats are also wonderful cameras, and even the later ones that have the AI meter coupling (FT3 and "Nikon" EL2) can be used with the older lenses. _________________ Michael
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:05 am Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that either the FE2 or the FA will accept pre-AI Nikkors that haven't been converted. That's why I restricted my recommendations to the FM and FE, in addition to the F-series. Of course the Nikkormats are also wonderful cameras, and even the later ones that have the AI meter coupling can be used with the older lenses. |
Your right, FE2 and FA will not mount the non ai glass. The original post was not restricted to non ai glass to begin with.
Correct me if im wrong! _________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
Fujica: ST605N-ST701-ST705-ST705W-ST801-ST901-AZ1-AX-3
Chinon: CE4s-CM4s-CM5
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
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Your right, FE2 and FA will not mount the non ai glass. The original post was not restricted to non ai glass to begin with.
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At least on the FM2n/FE2, you could have the rigid AI coupler replaced with a spare swivel-out coupling ring from the FE/FM.
Sevo _________________ Sevo |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
spiralcity wrote: |
Your right, FE2 and FA will not mount the non ai glass. The original post was not restricted to non ai glass to begin with. |
I understand that. All I was doing was being conservative in my recommendations because I know the cameras I recommended (plus the Nikkormats) will work with all Nikkors. _________________ Michael
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Davidus
Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Posts: 190 Location: Prague, CZE
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Davidus wrote:
Thanks to all.
I think it could be FE. I also found FG, but don't know, if it's good for Ai/AiS. _________________ Sony A7, Pentax P30t
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Nesster
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
The FE is my first Nikon ever (disregarding the early 60's Nikkomat my parents bought in Japan) and is a fantastic camera. So much on it is just right, you will be happy with one I'm sure. _________________ -Jussi
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cooltouch
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Davidus wrote: |
Thanks to all.
I think it could be FE. I also found FG, but don't know, if it's good for Ai/AiS. |
The FG is actually a fine little camera, and works well with AI/AIs, but I don't believe its meter tab will flip up out of the way for pre-AI lenses.
If I had to choose between the two, however, I'd go for the FE. +1 to what Nesstor wrote -- the FE is one of the best mf cameras that Nikon ever made. Plus, it can be used with the old lenses. _________________ Michael
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Davidus
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Davidus wrote:
OK, I'll probably look for FE. Thanks a lot. _________________ Sony A7, Pentax P30t
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Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1767 Location: Nice, France
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ChrisLilley wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
I would suggest one of the Nikon F-series (F, F2, F3, F4, F5) or the FE or FM. I know for a fact that all of these cameras will meter mf lenses, and that they all will allow one to mount the older pre-AI Nikkors as well. Most of the later Nikons will not.
I own an F2 and I'll never sell it. It is one of the finest mechanical, manual focus cameras ever made. |
Um, I would check that F5, FE and FM have a moveable aperture sensing lever to allow it to move out of the way when mounting a pre-AI lens. F4 and F3 certainly do, and F2 and F are of course pre-AI so use rabbit ears. _________________ Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don’t. Key: Ai-P, Ai, Ai'ed, AiS
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
ChrisLilley wrote: |
cooltouch wrote: |
I would suggest one of the Nikon F-series (F, F2, F3, F4, F5) or the FE or FM. I know for a fact that all of these cameras will meter mf lenses, and that they all will allow one to mount the older pre-AI Nikkors as well. Most of the later Nikons will not.
I own an F2 and I'll never sell it. It is one of the finest mechanical, manual focus cameras ever made. |
Um, I would check that F5, FE and FM have a moveable aperture sensing lever to allow it to move out of the way when mounting a pre-AI lens. F4 and F3 certainly do, and F2 and F are of course pre-AI so use rabbit ears. |
The FE and FM definitely do, while the FE2 and FM2 don't. The F5 requires a Nikon Service Center mod in order to use pre-AI lenses, but at least it can be done. And even the later F2s, such as the F2A and F2AS, have AI-coupling tabs that can be moved out of the way for the pre-AI lenses. _________________ Michael
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ChrisLilley
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1767 Location: Nice, France
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ChrisLilley wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
The F5 requires a Nikon Service Center mod in order to use pre-AI lenses, but at least it can be done. |
Aha. That explains why I have seen contradictory statements, some saying the F5 has a swingout aperture sensor and some saying that it does not. So, both are correct and it depends whether the F5 is stock or factory modified. _________________ Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
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