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Which ~70 - ~200 f2.8 ??
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Which ~70 - ~200 f2.8 ?? Reply with quote

Which 70-200 f2.8 MF lens would you choose ?


PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try only this one, it is quite good Leica Vario-APO-Elmarit-R 70-180mm f2.8


PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that Leitz is juuuust a little bit out of my price range. For MF to use on your 350D, I would go with the Tamron 80-200mm f/2.8 LD. Sigma and Tokina also made one. The nice thing about the latest Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8 L is it is IS. Oh wait. This is a manual focus forum. So never mind on the Canon. Go with the Tamron.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think, there are not much older MF zoom lenses which can offer you the f/2.8...

The best MF Zoom in the focal length area i did own for a short time, was a constant f/3.5 70-210mm, which was superb and was near the quality of the Leica primes. But this one is also very expensive. I did sell mine for 500 Euro, which was a very, very cheap price..

In this range it would be better to take a modern AF Lens. But in terms of MF, this lens is one of the "must have's" or "must try's".

Here are some pics of and taken with this lens



First the image in total, and a 100% Crop out of it.. Very Happy



CROP



Total



CROP




Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one Henry ? Wink

http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/72361112.htm?ca=17_s


PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dang. That seems like a pretty good price for that lens.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olivier wrote:
This one Henry ? Wink

http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/72361112.htm?ca=17_s


Yes, thats the big brother of the 2.5-3.3/35-70mm..

would buy this again everytime for this price.... would you help me?

Did sell my own for refinancing a Set-deal out of it.. shown her



Believe me.. its one of the best, if not the best from older days. Very Happy

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe you Henry.
Sure I'll help you ! Check PM.

There is also a Leica R4s with LEITZ MACRO ELMARIT-R 2.8/60 and ANGENIEUX 35-70.
and others...


PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Nikkor 80-200/2.8 AIS ED lens is a wee bit hard to come across...and when you do find one it's rare to pay a reasonable price...quite frankly,these cost a lot of $$$ when you find one.A very sharp lens at all aperture settings,with good contrast and excellent color rendition.I like this lens very much.Outstanding build and mechanical quality,I wish more lenses were built to these standards

I also recommend the Tamron SP 80-200/2.8 LD model 30A may also be hard to find at times and not nearly as costly as the Nikkor.....you'll usually see one or two every week on ebay for +/- $300 US...so they are easier to find then the Nikkor.This is a very good lens that is sharp with good contrast.The fact that it's an Adaptall-2 with Adaptall-2 adapters readily available for most the common mounts is a big plus as well.Good build and mechanical quality.

Another good lens is the 3rd Vivitar Series 1 70-210/2.8 which was built by Komine for Vivitar isn't nearly as good as the Nikkor but almost as good as the Tamron,but these lenses are readily available for +/- $120 US.Stopped down a bit it's a pretty sharp lens with pretty fair contrast and good color rendition.The quality for price is a bargain that's hard to beat.Excellent build and mechanical quality.

The Tokina AT-X 80-200/2.8 are another hard to find lens at times,but usually a couple of these lenses are available weekly on ebay for +/- $300 US.Not as sharp or with the contrast of the Tamron or the Vivitar,but sharp enough once stopped down and with improved contrast from f8 to f11.Excellent build and mechanical quality.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tamron 30A really is a beast.

Couple of my sample threads:
http://forum.mflenses.com/tamron-30a-sp-80-200-2-8-ld-samples-t8999.html

http://forum.mflenses.com/independence-day-t13033.html


PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

soikka wrote:
Tamron 30A really is a beast.

Couple of my sample threads:
http://forum.mflenses.com/tamron-30a-sp-80-200-2-8-ld-samples-t8999.html

http://forum.mflenses.com/independence-day-t13033.html


That is my recent big baby zoom lens. It is quite heavy and I don't have the optional tripod ring collar. Here is the product shot of my most favorite Tamron SP 80-200mm f/2.8 adaptall-2 30A lens









I did two event shooting with Oktoberfest and Halloween party and the lens performs quite well for me

I especially like its color, contrast and good sharpness.







Thanks,
Hin


PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great samples with a great lens

How about a dedicated thread for samples with this lens? Smile

however sadly I'm thinking of letting my copy go... too many good lenses around the same focal length-> 30A spends too much in it's leather box.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

soikka wrote:
Great samples with a great lens

How about a dedicated thread for samples with this lens? Smile

however sadly I'm thinking of letting my copy go... too many good lenses around the same focal length-> 30A spends too much in it's leather box.


Thank you for the kind comments. I will only let this lens go as the last batch as I found this zoom very special and it is my first with a metal lens hood that is for 77mm filter size.





It is a big hunk of metal as the minuses but I digress after seeing the good image quality for the heavy lens.

I am a lens junkie but I make excuses (read exception or rational reasoning) to have those good old glass to stay as long as I can afford to. The color and bokeh rivals my collection of 200mm, 135mm and 100mm primes that I have used. That alone give it a big reason to be heavy for good reasons.

I have used the equivalent in Tokina AT-X 80-200mm f/2.8 in P/K-A mount, though the Tokina was a good zoom overall and much easier to handle due to lesser weight in 2 lb 7 oz, the color and sharpness across the frame in wide open apertures goes thumbs down to the Tamron which will weigh closer to 3.5 lbs with my 3rd party tripod color mounted.

Few more test shots of the Tamron SP 80-200mm f/2.8 adaptall-2 30A to share

1/100 sec, f/5.6, 150mm, iso 200, 0 Ev with Pentax K20D
Not particularly sharp but I love the smooth green bokeh


1/100 sec, f/4.0, 135mm, iso 250, 0 Ev
Late in the afternoon, I like the reflection in the bottle
some fringing noted




1/100 sec, f/5.0, 180mm, iso 320, +0.3 Ev



Thanks,
Hin


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Californian Cabernet Sauvignon ? Shocked

Does the vine come from the original french vineyard ? Smile


PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olivier wrote:
A Californian Cabernet Sauvignon ? Shocked

Does the vine come from the original french vineyard ? Smile


I expect so ... but doesn't the rootstock of all modern vines come from America?

Shocked Shocked Shocked


PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tamron 30A is really rare.. and expensive !
I am looking for a Tokina AT-X sd 80 200 f2.8


PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulC wrote:
Olivier wrote:
A Californian Cabernet Sauvignon ? Shocked

Does the vine come from the original french vineyard ? Smile


I expect so ... but doesn't the rootstock of all modern vines come from America?

Shocked Shocked Shocked


Yes, from what I've read -- California to be exact.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I read :

Wine is introduced in "France" in 600 before JC by the Phoceans.
Romans expanded vineyards in the south of France and next, up to the Ile-de-France (around Paris).
In 1864, the wine was then experiencing a real setback with the introduction of phylloxera in the French vineyards. This tiny aphid vine eater comes from America and arrived accidentally in Europe. Soon the French and European vineyards are devastated. Only some areas are naturally protected by their climate, as the south or the islands of Oléron and Ré with its sandy soil or the Languedoc and the periphery of the Rhone delta, where flooding vineyards during the winter allowed to drown phylloxera during hibernation. Conversely, the vast vineyards of Ile-de-France was devastated and did not recover from this scourge. Thus, only the southern vineyards survived.
Fortunately, the grafting of European grapes with American vines resistant to the insect allowed to give a boost to the entire French and European wine. Even today, almost all the vineyards are planted with rootstocks from the American species.