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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject: S-M-C Tak 1.8/85mm vs EF 1.2/85mm |
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Rolf wrote:
Hi,
today my S-M-C Tak 1.8/85 mm arrived. Thanks Alfonso for this nice lens.
Due to a lack of a more reasonable motive this evening I made some test shot with the rest of my stinted dinner on my desk. Both wide open at nearest focus lenght handhelded.
What are you thinking (no comments regarding the dinner and the yoghurt pot please ) ? _________________ Rolf |
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taunusreiter
Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 127
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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taunusreiter wrote:
Hi,
you asked for oppinions, but not to mention the dinner. So I seriously tell you, without good motives (preferably young human females), both of these great lenses are a waiste of money, time and film/ disk space.
If you married, over 40, and hair starts fading away just like me, it's too late anyway... _________________ My flickr Gallery
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Exactly, both lenses are useless, Rolf. Just send them to me and I will get rid of them. I will even pay for postage and package.
OK, seriously, these are two great lenses. And I have to admit that I like the EF 1.2/85 better, but then what was the price difference? _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
yeah! you don't need 2 85mm... send me the plastic Canon & keep the tak |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Oooh you can never have too many 85mm lenses!
I think both look excellent, although note the Canon is showing a touch more CA at the top of the pot. Awesome for f1.2 though!
Personally I would love either of them! _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
I guessed (without looking at the text) that the picture made with the Canon EF was actually made with the Tak. Based on my mental idea that the Canon lens had to be better for the price difference and the modern design.
I was wrong
In other words, based on that single picture sample, I'd say that your new Tak is a very fine lens! |
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andyw
Joined: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 624 Location: Surrey. UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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andyw wrote:
I can see very little between them. The Bokeh is slightly different in each but apart from that not alot. I think maybe the FE just has it for IQ but there's not much in it. The Tak must be such a cracking lens if it close to the EF! _________________ Andy
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5078 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Hello Rolf.
I had to check several times wether you aimed the same point on both shots.
If so, the EF 1.2 seems better at 1.2 than the Tak at 1.8.
It seems sharper and with a better DOF even if 1.2 against 1.8.
I say that when looking the red writing "öko Test" and green "ERDBEE" near it. But a little upper, "SÖBBEKE" seems more neat on the Tak.
When looking at the fruits, the 1.2 is better.
So... is it the same aiming point ? or the 1.2 has a wider "in focus field" ? _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
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supahmario
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 615 Location: Berlin, Germany
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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supahmario wrote:
i say, rolf is trying to dupe us!
the first is made with the tak! _________________ EOS 5D, EOS 30
Leica-R: Summicron 2/50
QBM: Distagon 2.8/35
PK: Tokina 3.5/17, Porst 1.2/55
M42: S-M-C Takumar 3.5/24, S-M-C Takumar 1.8/55, CZJ MC Sonnar 3.5/135, Jupiter 21M 4/200
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
Hi,
I love your comments ! I think exactly like LucisPictor
[quote="LucisPictor" ........
OK, seriously, these are two great lenses. And I have to admit that I like the EF 1.2/85 better, but then what was the price difference? .....
[/quote]
They are so close together and the price difference is factor 10 to 12 !!! Ok, AF and 1.2 but at the end a lot of money.
But sometimes .....
1/5000 sec. ISO 800 and f:1.2
Anyway, I´m sure that I will shot from tomorrow more than joghurt pots with the nice tak. _________________ Rolf |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
The focus point is slightly higher on the Tak shot IMHO. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Rolf wrote: |
1/5000 sec. ISO 800 and f:1.2 |
your sample doesn't tell much, you could do same or better at :
1/300s ISO 100 f:2.8 |
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voytek
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 891
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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voytek wrote:
With all due respect Rolf I think that it would be better to compare Takumar with Vivitar,Samyang,Rokinon,Polar, Falcon 1.4/85 made in Korea - which lately receives more and more very good opinions. I think that even Apo-Lanthar 3.5/90 in similar price level is better than Takumar. I would rather compare Canon to Planar 1.4/85 or to other prime lenses, eg Leitz, Zeiss for C/Y. All above is my private opinion. _________________ Cheers, Voytek |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
voytek wrote: |
With all due respect Rolf I think that it would be better to compare Takumar with Vivitar,Samyang,Rokinon,Polar, Falcon 1.4/85 made in Korea - which lately receives more and more very good opinions. I think that even Apo-Lanthar 3.5/90 in similar price level is better than Takumar. I would rather compare Canon to Planar 1.4/85 or to other prime lenses, eg Leitz, Zeiss for C/Y. All above is my private opinion. |
+1
Hard, brief and truthful.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
poilu wrote: |
Rolf wrote: |
1/5000 sec. ISO 800 and f:1.2 |
your sample doesn't tell much, you could do same or better at :
1/300s ISO 100 f:2.8 |
Wow, what an interesting aspect. On the pic is an artiste, with 1/300 you would see a rotating red twister
Anyway, the only reason to upload these pics here was to show how close the differences are between 2 lenses with a difference in price by faktor 10 or 12, not more or less. _________________ Rolf |
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taunusreiter
Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 127
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:38 am Post subject: |
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taunusreiter wrote:
voytek wrote: |
I think that even Apo-Lanthar 3.5/90 in similar price level is better than Takumar. |
Surely not at f/1.8, and at f/4 this is yet to prove.
I've sold my SMC-Tak 85/1.8. Too young, too "clinical" and too cold in color for my kind of photographing. Like the older Takumars better. The Komuras better yet...
BTW -- and these two are comparable because there is just about 1/2 stop maximum aperture in between: the Zeiss Planar 85/1.4 is no way sharper than the SMC-Tak 85/1.8 wide open. But comes out a bit more friendly (less contrast and warmer color). This is a lens why I keep two otherwise useless C/Y SLR bodies... _________________ My flickr Gallery
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
taunusreiter wrote: |
I've sold my SMC-Tak 85/1.8. Too young, too "clinical" and too cold in color for my kind of photographing. |
Interesting observation. Even though I love my Takumars to death, the 85mm SMC is not high on my list of most-loved lenses. For some reason or other, I like my 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar much more. _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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voytek
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 891
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:00 am Post subject: |
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voytek wrote:
Conclusion to my previous post.
Canon 1.2/85 is a very special lens and till now I didn't see any other one which can perform like this. So far I don't have Leica and Contax lenses. Not yet.
_________________ Cheers, Voytek |
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KhanX
Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 430 Location: Bangkok, Thailand, München, Göttingen, Germany
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:45 am Post subject: |
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KhanX wrote:
Takumar 85/1.8 is a great find lens and I love it. _________________ Camera : Leica M8, Sony Nex5, Sigma SD14, Canon 5D, Olympus E-1, Panasonic DMC L1, Pentax K10D Grand Prix, Nikon D1X, Contax RTS III, Contax 167MT, Exakta RTL1000, Minolta X-700, Canon T90, Canon F-1, Pentacon Six TL
Lens :
Tele : Canon FD 300mm f2.8 s.s.c. fluorite, Mamiya 645 500mm f5.6, Pentacon 500mm f5.6, Sigma APO 300mm f4 macro, Nikkor Reflex C 500mm f8, Canon FD 200mm f2.8 s.s.c., Rubinar 300mm f4.5 mirror
Macro : Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.8, Vivitar VMC 100mm f2.8 Macro, Panagor PMC 90mm f2.8, Edicar 90mm f2.8 Macro, Nikon Micro 55mm f3.5, Takumar 50mm f4 Macro, Nikon Non AI 55mm f3.5 Micro, SMC Takumar 100mm f4 macro, Canon FD 100mm f4 Macro, Canon FD 200mm f4 Macro, Volna-9 50mm f2.8
Short tele : Pentacon Six 120mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Contax T* 100mm f2, Meyer optik Trioplan 100MM F2.8, Porst 135mm f1.8, Sigmatel ys 135mm f1.8, Schneider 135mm f3.5, Makinon 135mm f3.5, Komura 135mm f3.5, Hexanon 100mm f2.8, Schneider Variogon 80-240mm 4.5, Schneider 135mm f4
Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4
Wide : Leica Elmerit M 28mm f2.8 asph, Zeiss Contax 21mm f2.8, Zeiss Flextogon 20mm f2.8, Exakta 24mm f2.8 macro, Tokina 17mm f4 |
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