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supahmario
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supahmario wrote:
i really like my biometar 2,8/80. but i am thinking of a faster portrait lens up to 200 €. any suggestions?
i don't want a faster 80er if it's "just" fast! but i fear that 200 € is too little for a fast 80er that shall bring up the optical performance of (e.g.) a pancolar! or not?
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no-X
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
There are 2 faster lens, which can fit this price range:
Vivitar 85/1.8
Jupiter-9 85/2
Both of them are not as sharp as Pancolar, esp. under f/4, But I don't think you could find Pancolar for this price...
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LucisPictor wrote:
Nikkor-H 1.8/85
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zewrak
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zewrak wrote:
Super Takumar 85/1.9
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hk300
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hk300 wrote:
Canon 85/1.8 ... use it in MF mode.
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Sven wrote:
My vote also goes to the Nikkor H 1.8/85. It's one of my favorite lenses.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
+1 No X
But I think that with a "normal" subject at F/5,6, 8 and 11 between vivitar 1,8 and pancolar don't much differences in overall resolution power nor contrast. Pancolar something warm. I like vivitar's cold tones for portraits.
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
I agree, Vivitar is sharp around f/4 and really VERY sharp at f/5.6+
These samples are taken by the Vivitar - as I remember, the first one is at f/4, while the second one is at f/8:
 
I think at f/5-f/5.6 or more it would be quite impossible to distinguish which picture was taken by Vivitar and which by Pancolar according to sharpness.
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karabud
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karabud wrote:
I suggest nikkor 85/2 or 85/1.8
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
That's all nice and good, but I'm fairly sure that the OP does not want a fast 80 because he wants to stop it down to f/5.6 or more. For that he can use his Biometar, eh? So I guess he'll use it wide-open or almost wide-open, in which case I vote for the 85m f/1.8 SMC Takumar or the 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar (the Pancolar has a slight edge).
May I suggest the following: just keep using the Biometar while you are looking for a cheap or misrepresented Panc or Tak. This might take some time, but remember that the hunt is the nicest part of finding and buying good lenses! 
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estudleon
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
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| That's all nice and good, but I'm fairly sure that the OP does not want a fast 80 because he wants to stop it down to f/5.6 or more. For that he can use his Biometar, eh? |
Well, supahmario didn't tell us why he want a fast lens. You can be right, of course. But it's also reasonable to think that lens wishes fast to confront situations with little light and that, normally, could continue using the new lens at medium apertures .
He could think, too, that the design of the new fast 80 mm (planar in 90%) overpased, in sharpness, to the hybrid design of the biometar 2,8/80.
In both cases, the use of the vivitar 1,8 at sharpness apertures (F/4 to 11) can be desirable for supahmario.
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estudleon
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
| no-X wrote: |
I agree, Vivitar is sharp around f/4 and really VERY sharp at f/5.6+
These samples are taken by the Vivitar - as I remember, the first one is at f/4, while the second one is at f/8:
I think at f/5-f/5.6 or more it would be quite impossible to distinguish which picture was taken by Vivitar and which by Pancolar according to sharpness. |
Excelents pics. Very informative about the sharpness of the lens too.
We have a very good lens 
Rino.
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Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
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Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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WallyJr74
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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WallyJr74 wrote:
What about Vivitar/Polar/Samyang/Bower 85/1.4? I heard they are pretty good and cheap too...around $350US.
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