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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: CV Nokto 50mm f1.1. Coming Soon now with sample set |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
CV has a new M mount 50mm f1.1 Nokton
Thread at RFF with preview with Tom A
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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
The samples in B+W look great.
This lens is reported to go on sale for about $1100.
Now That is alot for a 50mm but if you consider the Nocti-Leica alternative.
You can 5 of these and money left over for a Body or 3
The Pany G1 guys are going to have a ball with this thing.
100MM FOV and f1.1. Come on who would not want to play _________________ Moderator |
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rawhead
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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rawhead wrote:
If the Samsung NX could mount this, then I'd be really, really interested. _________________ Sony α7R, Pentax 67II, Kiev-60, Hasselblad 203FE, 903SWC, Graflex Norita 66, Mamiya M645 1000s, Burke & James 8x10, Graflex Pacemaker Speed Graphic (4x5 and 3x4), Century Graphic (2x3), R.B. Graflex Seried D, Rolleiflex SL66E, Rolleiflex 2.8C Xenotar, Mamiya C330f, a few M42, six P6, three OM, four Hasselblad, two Pentax 67, two Mamiya 645, one Noritar, and a sprinkle of EF. Oh, and an Aero Ektar and Leica Noctilux |
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poilu
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
sunshine wrote: |
100MM FOV and f1.1. Come on who would not want to play |
interesting and impressive!
$1100 is a magnet price that will attract lot of people!
the 2x cropped sensor give less dof than bigger sensor
according to dof calculator, this would give the equivalent of a 100mm f2.2 on a 5D and give little less bokeh than a 85mm f1.4 _________________ T* |
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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
poilu wrote: |
sunshine wrote: |
100MM FOV and f1.1. Come on who would not want to play |
interesting and impressive!
$1100 is a magnet price that will attract lot of people!
the 2x cropped sensor give less dof than bigger sensor
according to dof calculator, this would give the equivalent of a 100mm f2.2 on a 5D and give little less bokeh than a 85mm f1.4 |
Yes that's how I understand it as well but, still with the light capturing ability of F1.1.
So a little bit easier to focus because of the small sensor. Still having all the speed of it's native design. _________________ Moderator |
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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:45 am Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Available July 09 ERP $1100
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koji
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Attila
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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1.1 or 1.2 1.4 doesn't matter truly in my opinion in practical usage _________________ -------------------------------
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ChrisLilley
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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ChrisLilley wrote:
Attila wrote: |
1.1 or 1.2 1.4 doesn't matter truly in my opinion in practical usage |
1.1 is 2/3 of a stop faster than 1.4 _________________ Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
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mUg
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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mUg wrote:
Kudos to Cosina for making this, even though sometimes i think that would be nice to see them making something devoted to a more modern and practical usage. |
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thePiRaTE!!
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:55 am Post subject: |
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
mUg wrote: |
Kudos to Cosina for making this, even though sometimes i think that would be nice to see them making something devoted to a more modern and practical usage. |
I wholeheartedly endorse the Kudos part. There is lots of practical to go around.
I'm very curious to see some more shots from this thing.
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rawhead
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:21 am Post subject: |
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rawhead wrote:
I think if there's anything that Cosina, especially their Voigtländer brand, is polar opposites with, I think is "practical" :-DDD Why else would they release an M42 mount camera like the Bessaflex in this day and age? I think practical minded people can get a great selection of practical gear from other, practical big names. _________________ Sony α7R, Pentax 67II, Kiev-60, Hasselblad 203FE, 903SWC, Graflex Norita 66, Mamiya M645 1000s, Burke & James 8x10, Graflex Pacemaker Speed Graphic (4x5 and 3x4), Century Graphic (2x3), R.B. Graflex Seried D, Rolleiflex SL66E, Rolleiflex 2.8C Xenotar, Mamiya C330f, a few M42, six P6, three OM, four Hasselblad, two Pentax 67, two Mamiya 645, one Noritar, and a sprinkle of EF. Oh, and an Aero Ektar and Leica Noctilux |
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
The lens seems very interesting although the previews size is so small that it's impossible to tell anything about the image quality except for the most obvious issues like vignetting.
What really strikes me is Mr. Kobayashi, it's incredible the dedication of this man to our "old time photography" as compared with the contemporary trend of most other makers. He and Zeiss both deserve big "kudos" from us.
I personally think this will be really a film lens. On digital, there is no reason today to use extreme lenses with their inherent limitations. Today's digital reflex cameras make really useable 3200 ISO, and shooting RAW allows a 2 stops tolerance on the left side of histogram. So except for the very extreme situations, a f/1.4 is enough and more adviseable image quality wise.
Instead, on film, where you are limited by the type of film you have in your camera at the moment, a f/1.1 lens can really be a "life saver". _________________ Orio, Administrator
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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Orio wrote: |
The lens seems very interesting although the previews size is so small that it's impossible to tell anything about the image quality except for the most obvious issues like vignetting.
What really strikes me is Mr. Kobayashi, it's incredible the dedication of this man to our "old time photography" as compared with the contemporary trend of most other makers. He and Zeiss both deserve big "kudos" from us.
I personally think this will be really a film lens. On digital, there is no reason today to use extreme lenses with their inherent limitations. Today's digital reflex cameras make really useable 3200 ISO, and shooting RAW allows a 2 stops tolerance on the left side of histogram. So except for the very extreme situations, a f/1.4 is enough and more adviseable image quality wise.
Instead, on film, where you are limited by the type of film you have in your camera at the moment, a f/1.1 lens can really be a "life saver". |
I think mostly this is true. However for RF addicts speed is still essential. Neither of the current DRF's have great High iso performance. This lens could make a difference for some guys.
Interesting that CV dropped the 1.5/50 Nokton. The assumption is this lens is to replace the 1.5 version.
My guess is that the 1.5 will be re-introduced but, with an M-mount this time.
BTW
I will not be buying the 1.1/50. The 1.5 is plenty fast for me and I got it for 1/10 of the cost of the new lens.
The 1.2/35 is more interesting actually. Considering the crop factor of the DRF's and slightly more DOF of a 35mm. _________________ Moderator |
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no-X
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Some samples, looks nice
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
100MM FOV and f1.1. Come on who would not want to play |
I want! I want!
I definitely need to play in the lottery!
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patrickh
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Andy
That is completely awesome. Typically the OOF on these ultra fast lenses is wild. Look forward to samples
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Orio
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I browsed the samples from the last link, at one point I stopped and thought "wow, this is really a good one!". I looked closely, and it was the first one in the series made with the Leica M8 - the previous ones were taken with an Olympus camera.
So my conclusion was: we may like to think that it's the lens that makes the difference, but in the case of digital cameras, I think most of the times, it is the camera that does... _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:08 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
Orio wrote: |
So my conclusion was: we may like to think that it's the lens that makes the difference, but in the case of digital cameras, I think most of the times, it is the camera that does... |
And sometimes, sadly to admit, it is the post processing that made the difference. _________________
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poilu
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:52 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
samples look very good! |
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koji
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
So far I only used the films with this lens, the results are not so impressive so far.
Mainly because film (colour film) grain and my bad scanning ability.
But the lens is sharp at the focus plane I think, not yet have a good example yet.
My M8 is currently broken, so no digital images with this lens.
My samples are > http://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/cv_nokton_50_11
click to enlarge photos
@f1.1 Coma is visible at upper right
@f1.1 Bokeh is sometime busy/not ideal to me
@f1.1? Against light, it does perform well (modern lens from Cosina)
@f1.1 back bokeh is (generally) pleasing
@f1.1 Front bokeh is all right
@f1.1 Focused area is quite sharp (also with the above)
I used Leica M6 and Fuji Reala for the above photos.
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