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 Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: CV Nokto 50mm f1.1. Coming Soon now with sample set |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
CV has a new M mount 50mm f1.1 Nokton
Thread at RFF with preview with Tom A
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rapidwinder/sets/72157618400098667/
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
The samples in B+W look great.
This lens is reported to go on sale for about $1100.
Now That is alot for a 50mm but if you consider the Nocti-Leica alternative.
You can 5 of these and money left over for a Body or 3 
The Pany G1 guys are going to have a ball with this thing.
100MM FOV and f1.1. Come on who would not want to play 
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If the Samsung NX could mount this, then I'd be really, really interested.
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
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| 100MM FOV and f1.1. Come on who would not want to play |
interesting and impressive!
$1100 is a magnet price that will attract lot of people!
the 2x cropped sensor give less dof than bigger sensor
according to dof calculator, this would give the equivalent of a 100mm f2.2 on a 5D and give little less bokeh than a 85mm f1.4
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
| poilu wrote: |
| sunshine wrote: |
| 100MM FOV and f1.1. Come on who would not want to play |
interesting and impressive!
$1100 is a magnet price that will attract lot of people!
the 2x cropped sensor give less dof than bigger sensor
according to dof calculator, this would give the equivalent of a 100mm f2.2 on a 5D and give little less bokeh than a 85mm f1.4 |
Yes that's how I understand it as well but, still with the light capturing ability of F1.1.
So a little bit easier to focus because of the small sensor. Still having all the speed of it's native design.
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Available July 09 ERP $1100
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Wow, Wow.
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1.1 or 1.2 1.4 doesn't matter truly in my opinion in practical usage
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ChrisLilley wrote:
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| 1.1 or 1.2 1.4 doesn't matter truly in my opinion in practical usage |
1.1 is 2/3 of a stop faster than 1.4
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Kudos to Cosina for making this, even though sometimes i think that would be nice to see them making something devoted to a more modern and practical usage. |
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| Kudos to Cosina for making this, even though sometimes i think that would be nice to see them making something devoted to a more modern and practical usage. |
I wholeheartedly endorse the Kudos part. There is lots of practical to go around.
I'm very curious to see some more shots from this thing.
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I think if there's anything that Cosina, especially their Voigtländer brand, is polar opposites with, I think is "practical" :-DDD Why else would they release an M42 mount camera like the Bessaflex in this day and age? I think practical minded people can get a great selection of practical gear from other, practical big names.
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The lens seems very interesting although the previews size is so small that it's impossible to tell anything about the image quality except for the most obvious issues like vignetting.
What really strikes me is Mr. Kobayashi, it's incredible the dedication of this man to our "old time photography" as compared with the contemporary trend of most other makers. He and Zeiss both deserve big "kudos" from us.
I personally think this will be really a film lens. On digital, there is no reason today to use extreme lenses with their inherent limitations. Today's digital reflex cameras make really useable 3200 ISO, and shooting RAW allows a 2 stops tolerance on the left side of histogram. So except for the very extreme situations, a f/1.4 is enough and more adviseable image quality wise.
Instead, on film, where you are limited by the type of film you have in your camera at the moment, a f/1.1 lens can really be a "life saver".
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
The lens seems very interesting although the previews size is so small that it's impossible to tell anything about the image quality except for the most obvious issues like vignetting.
What really strikes me is Mr. Kobayashi, it's incredible the dedication of this man to our "old time photography" as compared with the contemporary trend of most other makers. He and Zeiss both deserve big "kudos" from us.
I personally think this will be really a film lens. On digital, there is no reason today to use extreme lenses with their inherent limitations. Today's digital reflex cameras make really useable 3200 ISO, and shooting RAW allows a 2 stops tolerance on the left side of histogram. So except for the very extreme situations, a f/1.4 is enough and more adviseable image quality wise.
Instead, on film, where you are limited by the type of film you have in your camera at the moment, a f/1.1 lens can really be a "life saver". |
I think mostly this is true. However for RF addicts speed is still essential. Neither of the current DRF's have great High iso performance. This lens could make a difference for some guys.
Interesting that CV dropped the 1.5/50 Nokton. The assumption is this lens is to replace the 1.5 version.
My guess is that the 1.5 will be re-introduced but, with an M-mount this time.
BTW
I will not be buying the 1.1/50. The 1.5 is plenty fast for me and I got it for 1/10 of the cost of the new lens.
The 1.2/35 is more interesting actually. Considering the crop factor of the DRF's and slightly more DOF of a 35mm.
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Some samples, looks nice 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhapeman/sets/72157621613423252/
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LucisPictor wrote:
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100MM FOV and f1.1. Come on who would not want to play |
I want! I want!
I definitely need to play in the lottery!
So that my wife does not complain about me spending some more money.
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Andy
That is completely awesome. Typically the OOF on these ultra fast lenses is wild. Look forward to samples
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I browsed the samples from the last link, at one point I stopped and thought "wow, this is really a good one!". I looked closely, and it was the first one in the series made with the Leica M8 - the previous ones were taken with an Olympus camera.
So my conclusion was: we may like to think that it's the lens that makes the difference, but in the case of digital cameras, I think most of the times, it is the camera that does...
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So my conclusion was: we may like to think that it's the lens that makes the difference, but in the case of digital cameras, I think most of the times, it is the camera that does... |
And sometimes, sadly to admit, it is the post processing that made the difference.
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samples look very good! |
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koji wrote:
So far I only used the films with this lens, the results are not so impressive so far.
Mainly because film (colour film) grain and my bad scanning ability. 
But the lens is sharp at the focus plane I think, not yet have a good example yet.
My M8 is currently broken, so no digital images with this lens.
My samples are > http://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/cv_nokton_50_11
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@f1.1 Coma is visible at upper right
@f1.1 Bokeh is sometime busy/not ideal to me
@f1.1? Against light, it does perform well (modern lens from Cosina)
@f1.1 back bokeh is (generally) pleasing
@f1.1 Front bokeh is all right
@f1.1 Focused area is quite sharp (also with the above)
I used Leica M6 and Fuji Reala for the above photos.
I am still testing,,,,
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