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Laurence
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 Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: Another Attempt to Simplify at the Beach |
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Laurence wrote:
I would appreciate any suggestions on what I could do to make
this image better.
Again, this was an attempt at "simplification" at the wilderness
beach, where the detail is usually pretty much jumbled up.
Switched to Plus-X Pan in the Pentax 645. It's sure nice to have
a film back all loaded and ready.  The only caveat is that
I have to finish the roll already in the camera, but that is really
no big deal to me.
I know that not everyone likes black and white landscapes, but
this is just experimentation to get a "feel" for the Plus-X Pan.
The "graduated" sky is simply a darker section of clouds overtaking
the lighter layer of clouds.
Father and Son
Pentax 645
Pentax-A 55/2.8 lens
Plus-X Pan
f:22 and 1/30th
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Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
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Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
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nemesis101
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Another Attempt to Simplify at the Beach |
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nemesis101 wrote:
No problems Laurence,
To simplify:
I'd suggest you hand over all that complicated equipment to me to look after, and get yourself a nice point & shoot Vivitar Digital - or a really nice vintage rangefinder from somewhere in the South of England - either way you won't be bothered with all those beastly settings, as
A) The Vivitar will be all automatic and
B) The thing from England will be so fungus ridden that you will achieve a timeless dreamy soft-focus look with little effort, and if you hang around long enough in our overcast damp weather, you'll have mushrooms for breakfast too!
See, I'm nothing if not full of useful suggestions
Doug.
PS Nice pic - did I mention that?
| Laurence wrote: |
I would appreciate any suggestions on what I could do to make
this image better.
Again, this was an attempt at "simplification" at the wilderness
beach, where the detail is usually pretty much jumbled up.
Switched to Plus-X Pan in the Pentax 645. It's sure nice to have
a film back all loaded and ready. The only caveat is that
I have to finish the roll already in the camera, but that is really
no big deal to me.
I know that not everyone likes black and white landscapes, but
this is just experimentation to get a "feel" for the Plus-X Pan.
The "graduated" sky is simply a darker section of clouds overtaking
the lighter layer of clouds.
Father and Son
Pentax 645
Pentax-A 55/2.8 lens
Plus-X Pan
f:22 and 1/30th
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Laurence
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
WONDERFUL suggestions, Doug! Just what I was looking for! 
Thanks for making me smile this morning!
I know that it's been a very rainy couple of years over there, but we have our share as well, so I know what it means to have moss on the bottom of our feet.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Sevo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
Back to the question: The row of rocks in front of the horizon is sligthly tilted towards the upper right - which gives the entire picture a tilted look, as they are perceived as a stronger horizon line than the real horizon. I fear that means going back to the location to try a few more views, with the rocks either in perfect horizontal or so strongly offset that they don't disturb the horizontal any more.
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rawhead
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rawhead wrote:
Is the question regarding post production, or a reshoot is possible?
Personally, if I were to take a shot like this, I would use a longer exposure, perhaps with the help of a strong ND filter (ND400). If I had my Hartblei 45/3.5 with me, I'd also use tilt to get the two rocks inside a tilted narrower DoF so that I could shoot at the sweetspot F-stop, which is around F11-16.
You would get a sharper image, and the water will look more "still", adding to the simplification theme. If there was wind up above, long exposure would also smear the clouds and give them smoother look.
If you're talking about post, I can't be of too much help; although a simple NeatImage (etc.) noise reduction would certainly smooth out the grains and make it more simple, so to speak. Personally, I like smooth, plasticky looks, but something like that would be akin to heresy in the eyes of some film lovers
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Screamin Scott wrote:
Now if it was a nude beach...You'd get lots of comments !
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nemesis101
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nemesis101 wrote:
How is a nude beach different from this one? I see no clothed sand?
Am I missing out on something here?
| Screamin Scott wrote: |
| Now if it was a nude beach...You'd get lots of comments ! |
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Laurence
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
| Sevo wrote: |
Back to the question: The row of rocks in front of the horizon is sligthly tilted towards the upper right - which gives the entire picture a tilted look, as they are perceived as a stronger horizon line than the real horizon. I fear that means going back to the location to try a few more views, with the rocks either in perfect horizontal or so strongly offset that they don't disturb the horizontal any more.
Sevo |
Sevo THANKS! A very good observation, and this helps me a lot in that I didn't even notice the tilt! But sure enough, it is there.
So...yes, I'll have to go back. What a pity that I have to visit this remarkable beach again...haha!
I appreciate that you gave me something to think about.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Laurence
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
rawhead wrote: although a simple NeatImage (etc.) noise reduction would certainly smooth out the grains and make it more simple, so to speak.
A GREAT idea! I might not take the "smoothing" quite to that level, but I DO see the merit in doing so. And by the way, I am not adverse to altering some images with NeatImage or other means; it is all a part of the overall scheme of trying to get the most out of images.
Great advice, and thank you!
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And handled with a chain.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Laurence
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
| Screamin Scott wrote: |
| Now if it was a nude beach...You'd get lots of comments ! |
So, I shouldn't tell you about the nubile young girls giggling and laughing and running around stark naked, who were hidden behind the large seastack? 
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Laurence
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
| nemesis101 wrote: |
How is a nude beach different from this one? I see no clothed sand?
Am I missing out on something here?
| Screamin Scott wrote: |
| Now if it was a nude beach...You'd get lots of comments ! |
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Yeah nemesis...I think you missed somthing all right....  
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Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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supahmario
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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supahmario wrote:
| nemesis101 wrote: |
How is a nude beach different from this one? I see no clothed sand?
Am I missing out on something here?
| Screamin Scott wrote: |
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i don't know you nemesis, but your humor is just yet a friend of mine!
regards,
mario.
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yalcinaydin wrote:
I allways like b&w landscapes and liked this one also
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Schnauzer wrote:
I think it is very nice the way it is Larry.
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Orio wrote:
Larry,
I personally would use more contrast. I am only seeing zones 2 to 7 in the picture. For my liking, I would push the extremes towards zone 1 and 8. I think that the big rock (which now is all inside zones 4-5) will obtain more presence this way.
Of course we are speaking in front of different monitors so what I am seeing here might not be what you are seeing there!
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supahmario
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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supahmario wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
Larry,
I personally would use more contrast. I am only seeing zones 2 to 7 in the picture. For my liking, I would push the extremes towards zone 1 and 8. I think that the big rock (which now is all inside zones 4-5) will obtain more presence this way. |
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Laurence
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Thanks VERY much for the contrast tips. I didn't even think of that...shows I have a lot to learn about black and white. It's certainly a challenge with black and white, and I admire guys like Orio who are "devolving" back to the basics of black and white processing.
Thanks again, all!
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Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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