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Steffie
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 Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 9:09 am Post subject: newbie question about Takumars |
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Steffie wrote:
As a beginning Takumar lover I believed that all Takumars had the M42 mount. Today I read about a takumar-A 2x tele-converter that has a K-mount. I am trying to buy some takumars on ebay but now I am afraid I will be bidding on lenses with the wrong mount. Can somebody pls enlighten me or point me to a website with the info I need?
Thanks in advance.
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Spotmatic
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Pentax used the Takumar designation on cheaper K-mount lenses and converters. These did not have the famous SMC coating, so are a bit more prone to flare. I'd try to avoid them unless very cheap. M42 stuff with "Takumar" on it is what you want. 
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Nesster wrote:
Look for "Super" "Super Multi Coated" "SMC" "Auto" "Tele" "Macro" in front of "Takumar" and it's likely to be a M42.
The K mount Takumar ads usually mention "K mount" or "bayonet" or some such.
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mUg
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mUg wrote:
After the "Takumar Bayonet" title which the PK cheap Takumars have, the M42 and PK mount are maybe the easiest to recognize as different, the first one is a screw mount and the other one is a bayonet one. Of course PK Takumars also have a different look, but on the practical side you can already guess by the mount and/or name on the barrel. |
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Steffie
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Steffie wrote:
Thanks, that is a great help. Meanwhile I found this very interesting site with a database of M42 lenses:
http://m42.artlimited.net/site_lenses.php |
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Blunderstein
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Blunderstein wrote:
Hi Steffie,
if you haven't already I suggest that you also check out the Tamron Adaptall-2 lenses, the Olympus OM (Zuiko) lenses and the Leica lenses.
I shoot mostly with old glass, but I find that most of the lenses that I actually use are not M42. Then again, I might have bought the wrong M42 glass.
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: newbie question about Takumars |
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visualopsins wrote:
| Steffie wrote: |
As a beginning Takumar lover I believed that all Takumars had the M42 mount. Today I read about a takumar-A 2x tele-converter that has a K-mount. I am trying to buy some takumars on ebay but now I am afraid I will be bidding on lenses with the wrong mount. Can somebody pls enlighten me or point me to a website with the info I need?
Thanks in advance.
Steffie |
hi Steffie, these are websites with Takumar infos:
M42 http://www.aohc.it/lense.htm
K-mount http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/
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| Pentax used the Takumar designation on cheaper K-mount lenses and converters. These did not have the famous SMC coating, so are a bit more prone to flare. I'd try to avoid them unless very cheap. M42 stuff with "Takumar" on it is what you want. |
as I understand there are two groups of Takumars. The first group includes all the M42 Takumar versions and the SMC Takumars (designated "SMC" not "Super-Muti-Coated"). The M42 and K-mount SMC Takumars are all multi-coated and the same as previous S-M-C versions, some have new K-mount. The second group is the more cheaply manufactured K-mount "Pentax" Takumars, still with muti-coatings. The second group is considered inferior.
My collecting focuses on the M42 "Super-" and "Super-Multi-Coated Takumars".
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Steffie
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| Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Steffie wrote:
@Erik - Thank you Erik, I will. But since I am reading this forum I have discovered so many must-have lenses that I don't know were to start. It is all so tempting and I really don't have the means to start an extensive collection.
@Siriusdogstar - Thanks for the links. I bookmarked them. Very usefull information. There is much more to learn about all those old glass than I initially anticipated.
Another question: Are there any Takumar M42 teleconverters. I have not spotted any sofar. And do I have to use Takumar tc's with a Takumar lens. Or could I on say a Canon body use a Canon tc with a Takumar lens, in which case the adapter will of course be inbetween the tc and the lens. |
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
Pentax never made any M42 teleconverters. They only did that in their K-mount period.
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My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
I believe Vivitar made one in the M42 mount.
patrickh
Steffie
Check out the galleries and find the "character" that you like - including which focal length. That will narrow the field. The members here can certainly help you find good value from that point on
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Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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visualopsins
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visualopsins wrote:
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| Another question: Are there any Takumar M42 teleconverters. I have not spotted any sofar. And do I have to use Takumar tc's with a Takumar lens. Or could I on say a Canon body use a Canon tc with a Takumar lens, in which case the adapter will of course be inbetween the tc and the lens. |
TC noticably degrade lens performance. Camera sensor crop factor multiplies focal length makes TC less necessary.
Asahi didn't make any Takumar TC, but I believe the AP in APS is Asahi Pentax. I've seen 2x and 3x APS TC among a few M42 Takumar lens sets; the APS TC seems better than average, but I haven't used them much.
I'd stay away from Vivitar TC only because of so many models made for specific lens/focal length -- i don't know where to find a list what model was made for what focal length lens.
Many manufactured M42 TC! The 7-element TC such as Komura are supposed to be better than 4-5 element "average" TC.
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Steffie
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Steffie wrote:
OK, I will look out for those. I won't be needing a tc for a long time yet,I guess, just starting to build my mf lenses collection. But they don't seem to be on offer very often, so when I see a suitable one I would like te be able to strike out. |
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Big Dawg
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Big Dawg wrote:
If you need focal length get a longer focal length lens. Stay away from the TC's and the image quality will be better in most cases. I'm presently trying to collect the Tele-Takumar preset lenses and having a hard time at it. Two longer focal length lenses to look for are the 200mm f/4 Super Takumar and the 300mm f/4 Super Takumar. Very good image quality there.
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
Of course, there are other options besides Taks as well, with M42 mounts. The Jupiter 200/4 is a very fine lens for example
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M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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mUg
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mUg wrote:
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Of course, there are other options besides Taks as well, with M42 mounts. The Jupiter 200/4 is a very fine lens for example
patrickh |
Yep! Unfortunatly the build quality of russian lenses is so-so, my Juppie 200 got blades stuck a few months ago  it was so nice |
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