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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16627 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: Does Leitz give up on Leica R9 Cameras ?? |
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kds315* wrote:
Arsenalphoto today announced an up to 65% discount on the complete series of Leica R9 Cameras + Lenses. Sounds like a sell-out to me! OR is it just them dropping that complete line...??
http://shop.shphotoshop.de/epages/es104977.sf/en_US/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es104977_shphoto/Categories/LeicaR _________________ Klaus - Admin
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Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
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Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
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orly_andico
Joined: 02 Jul 2008 Posts: 253 Location: Philippines
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: |
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orly_andico wrote:
Perhaps Leica is ditching the R-series permanently.
They recently announced their whopper $35K DSLR called the S2 with a 30mm x 45mm sensor. |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
But they are also constantly telling about the development of a digital R10!
I can imagine that this will be an AF-cam (that can use the "old" MF R-lenses as well). So this would be a reaons to sell out the R-cams and not the R-lenses. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5037 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:54 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Maybe they used all their r&d money to S2 and want to leave the pixel-wars to hobby-camera manufacturers. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
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thePiRaTE!!
Joined: 31 Oct 2008 Posts: 416 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
Just out of curiosity - does anyone know if these new R mount lenses as easily converted via the Leitax system as older R lenses? I see something I like in there...
Regards,
Kelly. _________________ kellysereda.com
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Helios: 1.5/85 40-2.
Meyer-Optik: Trioplan 2.8/100, Oreston 1.8/50.
Minolta: Rokkor-PG 1.2/58.
Porst: 1.2/55 Color Reflex.
Sony: 4-5.6/70-400 G.
Takumar: Super Takumar 3.5/135, Super Takumar 1.4/50, SMC Takumar 3.5/28.
Topcon: Topcor 1.4/58.
Voigtländer: Nokton Classic SC 1.4/35.
Zeiss: Planar T*1.2/85 "60 jahre" C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*3.4/35-70 C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*2.8/16-35 ZA, Distagon T*2/24 ZA.
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orly_andico
Joined: 02 Jul 2008 Posts: 253 Location: Philippines
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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orly_andico wrote:
Bigger sensor really is the way to go for even higher megapixels.
Canon 50D (15MP, APS-C) is already at 213 pixels/mm. That translates (Nyquist sampling) to a bit over 100lp/mm which already is in the range of the highest-end, sharpest lenses.
On full frame therefore, with 100lp/mm at the sensor would be around 25MP. The current FF DSLR's are already getting close to that. |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5037 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Is there some technical reason why FF is so rare? For example why there are no cheap 6x6 or 645 digital backs with something like 10+ megapixels? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
Is there some technical reason why FF is so rare? For example why there are no cheap 6x6 or 645 digital backs with something like 10+ megapixels? |
No technical reason, financial reason: price!
Full frame digital sensors are outrageously expensive (for the moment). _________________ Orio, Administrator
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
My guess is that they are not giving up on the R-series.
As Carsten says. There is much hype regarding an "R" DSLR.
I just checked at B+H and the prices there are stable for the moment.
Maybe "Photo ArSE and All" has gotten themselves into a cashflow problem and is freeing up some dough by cost of profit.
Leica has a limited amount of product on the market it seems unwise for them to drop a product line.
I also would guess that the biggest profit maker for them at this point is probably licensing the name to Panasonic for p+s cameras (lumix etc..).
Surely that is not enough butter for the bread in the long run.
Never know though. Maybe the end is nigh for MF Leica Reflex _________________ Moderator |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
My guess is that they are not giving up on the R-series.
As Carsten says. There is much hype regarding an "R" DSLR.
I just checked at B+H and the prices there are stable for the moment.
Maybe "Photo ArSE and All" has gotten themselves into a cashflow problem and is freeing up some dough by cost of profit.
Leica has a limited amount of product on the market it seems unwise for them to drop a product line.
I also would guess that the biggest profit maker for them at this point is probably licensing the name to Panasonic for p+s cameras (lumix etc..).
Surely that is not enough butter for the bread in the long run.
Never know though. Maybe the end is nigh for MF Leica Reflex |
May be. Perhaps they want to concentrate in M production. Two or three models of M digitals basic, medium and high tech. Basic is for me!!!
Nowhere, it's only a dream.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:10 am Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Yes, the 10mp Kodak sensored Digital Module for the R8/9 was discontinued 2 years ago (almost exactly) Due to low sales ($6K for the module only).
But is it true that the base film body and system is also Passed on? _________________ Moderator |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5037 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Orio wrote: |
kansalliskala wrote: |
Is there some technical reason why FF is so rare? For example why there are no cheap 6x6 or 645 digital backs with something like 10+ megapixels? |
No technical reason, financial reason: price!
Full frame digital sensors are outrageously expensive (for the moment). |
i'm not sure if this is "begging the question"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
but: why the sensors are so expensive?
is it because the sensor material grows only in some special trees in south-east china and thus: the larger the sensor - the more expensive. usually in most areas the smaller the device the more expensive it is? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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orly_andico
Joined: 02 Jul 2008 Posts: 253 Location: Philippines
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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orly_andico wrote:
Sensors don't follow Moore's Law.
The thing with Moore's Law is that transistor count doubles every 18 months, so you can retain technology and lower the price, or maintain the price and improve the CPU power.
But a sensor is of a fixed size, so its cost doesn't go down that much.
Also large sensors have low market share (sub 2%) so the economies of scale are less apparent.
Here's an example: for the cost (silicon area) of one 5D Mk II sensor, you can probably make 20 Intel Xeon chips each of which you can sell for $200. So there's more money in NOT building FF sensors. |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5037 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Here is total and final explanation to my suspicion
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/dx.htm
_________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
Is there some technical reason why FF is so rare? For example why there are no cheap 6x6 or 645 digital backs with something like 10+ megapixels? |
Well there's a Hassy "basic" 17MP sensor to be used on C500 and H1 bodies that I could find used at about 3000 eu.
It's better than any FF DSLR at the moment (also the ones with more MPs) and that's the reason why the cost doesn't go down. It's simply that if you need pro output you need a pro instrument and so demand doesn't shrink neither expanding too much (not many new pro around).
This happens for all the pro instruments that fill very small market niches. _________________ Alessandro
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SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
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Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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