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yucel
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Location: Turkey
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 Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: Lenses wider than 24mm |
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yucel wrote:
Hi,
I'm thinking of getting a lens wider than 24mm for my d70s. This will serve several purposes: first I'll have a nice wide angle prime for my crop cam and second I'll use the same lens underwater as a nearly normal lens (inside the UW housing obviously).
I read reviews about russian 20mm lenses, nikkor 20mms, czj lenses but every review has good and bad points most of which cannot be easily compareable with other lenses.
As I understood russians are good performers and relatively cheap, nikkors always deliver certain standarts but pricey, czjs are very pricey and good but nearly non-existent in Turkey second hand and so on.
Therefore I need some assistance. Is there anyone who had a chance to compare wide lenses (not fisheye). What I need is a good performing average priced wide angle lens for the beginning. Compactness and low light capability are bonuses but an 2,8 or 3,5 aperture lens will not make so much difference for me. A slower but a better performing lens would be my first choice.
Due to lack of knowledge I can't even differentiate between different russian 20mm lenses therefore I'd be very glad if you could help.
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I have experience with following wide angle lenses.
Nikkor UD 20mm f3.5
Nikkor 18mm f3.5
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 20mm f2.8 MC
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 20mm f4
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 25mm f4
Olympus OM 18mm f3.5
Olympus OM 21mm f3.5
Tamron SP 17mm f3.5
Vivitar 19mm I don't remember for f value.
From above list I sold only Nikkor 18mm and Vivitar 19mm.
Flektogon quality is depend from samples, all are good , some of them extra ordinary good.
You can't go wrong any of them from above list.
I think any Nikkor 20mm lens can be a very good and not expensive choice.
I not recommend much cheap lenses like Vivitar or similar.
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zewrak
Joined: 12 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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zewrak wrote:
S-M-C Takumar 20/4.5
Quite slow but a nice lens, with rather spectacular colours.
Only had one example online (don't use wideangle that much)
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Wow! So, so beautiful! Thanks for sharing!
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yucel
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Location: Turkey
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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yucel wrote:
Yes, very beautiful!!
Unfortunately I have a nikon body.
Nikkors or f mount japanese/russian lenses are the only choices for me.
Don't know if a SMC Takumar can be fitted to Nikon.
I guess I can modify a zuiko lens to fit nikon, register distance is 0,5 mm less which can be fixed with machining a male f mount but not sure about mirror clearance issues etc. Just an idea. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
In this case take Nikkor lens, any of them a good lens. Patrick and Richard so happy with their 4/20 Nikkor. I am happy with my Nikkor UD even if I have more expensive zuiko 18mm.
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007
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patrickh wrote:
I can also recommend the 20/2.8 and the Tokina 17/3.5 is not at all bad.
patrickh
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MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Richard_D
Joined: 21 Oct 2007
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Location: Faversham Kent UK
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
I'm very happy with 20mm f2.8 Nikkor AIs, much better than the 20mm AFD I had beforehand. Wasn't cheap though...
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Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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yucel
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
Posts: 27
Location: Turkey
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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yucel wrote:
Thanks for all replies.
I'll try to get a 20mm nikkor. |
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DSG
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Posts: 544
Location: London, UK.
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DSG wrote:
| yucel wrote: |
Yes, very beautiful!!
Unfortunately I have a nikon body.
Nikkors or f mount japanese/russian lenses are the only choices for me.
Don't know if a SMC Takumar can be fitted to Nikon.
I guess I can modify a zuiko lens to fit nikon, register distance is 0,5 mm less which can be fixed with machining a male f mount but not sure about mirror clearance issues etc. Just an idea. |
You should look for a Tokina 17mm f3.5. Mine is the TL coated version and it came in Minolta MD mount but I also had an M42 mount Tokina 24mm f2.8 that I was'nt using much and as the two have interchangable mounting plates I simply swapped them over to make the 17mm into an M42 mount lens. You might be able to get a Nikon mount version as well?
Its may not be the sharpest <20mm lens in the world but it is'nt bad either:
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Richard_D
Joined: 21 Oct 2007
Posts: 2378
Location: Faversham Kent UK
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
I had the Tokina 17mm 3.5 RMC and was impressed for the cost, needs stopping down a stop or two and is a little lacking in contrast but basically sharp and low distortion.
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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fernanrl
Joined: 09 Aug 2008
Posts: 99
Location: Valle del Kas - Madrid - Spain
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: |
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fernanrl wrote:
Hi,
I have the Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 20mm f4...beautiful. Nice colours and I just love taking pictures with it.
Regards,
Fer
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patrickh
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Location: Oregon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
But it does not come in a nikon fitting....
patrickh
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MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Orio
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Well... for Nikon, but not for all pockets, there's this...:
http://www.zeiss.com/C12567A8003B58B9/ContentsWWWIntern/E0943E181906E994C125746C0053918C#1
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Sven
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Location: Linköping Sweden
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Sven wrote:
I received my MIR 3.5/20 to fit my Nikon D70 yesterday.
Odd creature. Shaped like a funnel and lens cover in stamped aluminum plate.
I have only taken a few pictures yet, but so far I like what I see. Colours come out well saturated, and sharpness seems to be ok.
I will probably post more pictures if I get any good ones.
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M42: Pentacon 4/200, S Takumar 1.8/55, Meyer Orestor 2.8/135, CZJ Flektogon 2.4/35, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50, CZJ Sonnar 3.5/135
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