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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:28 am    Post subject: Unloved and therefore cheap, but surprisingly good lenses Reply with quote

As the title says.
What lenses have you come across that meet the generally unloved, cheap but good criteria?
I'll start with a little zoom - Yashica ML 42-75 f3.5-4.5
OH


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More images here:
http://forum.mflenses.com/the-1-lens-yashica-ml-42-75-f3-5-4-5-t72557,highlight,%2B1+%2Blens.html


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soligor 135mm f2,8 for $7.-
Yashica 75-150mm f4, $19.-
Vivitar Ser.1 70-210mm f3,5, $25.-
Fujinon 50mm f1,8 $5.-
Nikkor 50mm f1,8 $25.-
Nikkor 35-70mm f3,3-4,5 $16.-
Rolleinar 55mm f1,4 $50.-
Rollei CZ Planar HFT 50mm f1,8 $10.-

And so on...
All are harvested at flea markets and Goodwill stores. All lenses are superb.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulius wrote:
Soligor 135mm f2,8 for $7.-
Yashica 75-150mm f4, $19.-
Vivitar Ser.1 70-210mm f3,5, $25.-
Fujinon 50mm f1,8 $5.-
Nikkor 50mm f1,8 $25.-
Nikkor 35-70mm f3,3-4,5 $16.-
Rolleinar 55mm f1,4 $50.-
Rollei CZ Planar HFT 50mm f1,8 $10.-

And so on...
All are harvested at flea markets and Goodwill stores. All lenses are superb.


Some bargains there for sure Paulius.
What I was trying to get at was not necessarily our bargains for well known and loved quality lenses like the Planar etc, but the relatively unknown lenses that turned out to be very good, even though most people shy away from them - (and hence why they are always found cheaply).
Hope this clarifies my original post
OH


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, perhaps Soligors 250mm and 135mm, Tele-Lentar 300mm f5,5, a few Kirons, Hexanons. All are excellent performers.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minolta MD III 50 f2. Probably the cheapest Minolta standard and with a better performance in some aspects than many of his Minolta more regarded brothers.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well,

I've been kind of surprised by the Seikanon 28-70 3.5 macro, $15.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canon FD 70-210 f/4. Mine cost a tenner and, when tested on my A7r I found this Canon to be better than A Tamron #19AH 70-210/3.5 SP and only Beathen by the CY Zeiss 80-200/4 on CA.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldhand wrote:
Paulius wrote:
Soligor 135mm f2,8 for $7.-
Yashica 75-150mm f4, $19.-
Vivitar Ser.1 70-210mm f3,5, $25.-
Fujinon 50mm f1,8 $5.-
Nikkor 50mm f1,8 $25.-
Nikkor 35-70mm f3,3-4,5 $16.-
Rolleinar 55mm f1,4 $50.-
Rollei CZ Planar HFT 50mm f1,8 $10.-

And so on...
All are harvested at flea markets and Goodwill stores. All lenses are superb.


Some bargains there for sure Paulius.
What I was trying to get at was not necessarily our bargains for well known and loved quality lenses like the Planar etc, but the relatively unknown lenses that turned out to be very good, even though most people shy away from them - (and hence why they are always found cheaply).
Hope this clarifies my original post
OH

I get what you're saying, lenses most would write off at first look as being garbage or not worth the time to try out, but are surprisingly good.
I have the same Yashica ML 4-75mm Zoom, it did surprise me, much better than I expected, I only tried it due to it being relatively small, I haven't looked for a wider mate for it, I don't even know if one exists... anyone try the ML 28-50mm f3.5 ?
So getting a good deal on a known good lens doesn't count.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lightshow wrote:
Oldhand wrote:
Paulius wrote:
Soligor 135mm f2,8 for $7.-
Yashica 75-150mm f4, $19.-
Vivitar Ser.1 70-210mm f3,5, $25.-
Fujinon 50mm f1,8 $5.-
Nikkor 50mm f1,8 $25.-
Nikkor 35-70mm f3,3-4,5 $16.-
Rolleinar 55mm f1,4 $50.-
Rollei CZ Planar HFT 50mm f1,8 $10.-

And so on...
All are harvested at flea markets and Goodwill stores. All lenses are superb.


Some bargains there for sure Paulius.
What I was trying to get at was not necessarily our bargains for well known and loved quality lenses like the Planar etc, but the relatively unknown lenses that turned out to be very good, even though most people shy away from them - (and hence why they are always found cheaply).
Hope this clarifies my original post
OH

I get what you're saying, lenses most would write off at first look as being garbage or not worth the time to try out, but are surprisingly good.
I have the same Yashica ML 4-75mm Zoom, it did surprise me, much better than I expected, I only tried it due to it being relatively small, I haven't looked for a wider mate for it, I don't even know if one exists... anyone try the ML 28-50mm f3.5 ?
So getting a good deal on a known good lens doesn't count.


Yep - that's it.
OH


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a tenner for the Canon 70-210 f4!... and I thought I had a good deal with the rokkor 70-210 f 4 for 12.5£. Bummer... Without the shade moreover.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most probably the UV Topcors are falling into this category. Amazingly cheap and good performers.
I've already posted several examples here, so I don't do it in this thread. (e.g. http://forum.mflenses.com/uv-topcor-100mm-f4-on-aps-c-t72494.html)


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a lot of Yashica lenses that could fall into this category, and barryreid has already mentioned the one I would nomintate - the Yashica ML 80-200 f4. Mine came in a huge bag of stuff from a charity shop, I just cleared all their camera stuff for £30, and I love it. As yet I haven't tried it back to back with a Vivitar Series 1 70-210, but I think it might just beat the Vivitar for sharpness, and it's smaller and lighter.

How about the M42 55 / 1.8 Mamiya Sekor ? It's possibly my best 50ish lens and it came on a dead Mamiya for £5.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tb_a wrote:
Most probably the UV Topcors are falling into this category. Amazingly cheap and good performers.
I've already posted several examples here, so I don't do it in this thread. (e.g. http://forum.mflenses.com/uv-topcor-100mm-f4-on-aps-c-t72494.html)


+1 on that! I payed 20 euros for 3 lenses, the adapter was the most expensive part. This week my A7 arrived, here's a quick un-edited shot with the UV-Topcor 2/53 (@ f/2.8 )on FF:



I also agree on the Minolta MD 2.0/50. People just do not buy them because "there is also a faster one". They are dirt cheap and perform great: http://forum.mflenses.com/minolta-md-50-f2-t29017,highlight,%2Bminolta+%2Bmd+%2B2+%2B50.html


Cheers, René!


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do have good experiences with Yashica stuff - My 50/2 I bought years ago on eBay for about £3.20 Smile I also have a 75-200mm MC which I won on eBay for a similar price last year & I've yet to use it.......

I do mainly use my Voigtlander CV40 but I presently have my camera bag packed with my Yashica lenses to use on my next outing & I've just found that 75-200mm to pop in there with the rest Smile

I not own the ML28/2.8, ML50/1.7, ML50/1.9, ML50/2 & the 75-200mm zoom.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lenses resold under house brand (Sigma -> Exakta/whatever, Tak? -> Revueflex55/1.8)

Label is meaningless you must look at the shape and hope it's the same glass

Sigma/whatever 28-70 3.5-4.5 UC(HSAF) very dinky mechanics though

Various teles 60-300, 75-200 "Small Pipe"

Minolta AF has some B- performers that no one loves: 35-70/3.5-4.5, 35-105/3.5-4.5 Plastic, 35-80 Plastic New

These aren't really gems but people don't want them (they want the 35-70/4 and 35-105Old) and often trade for $5 or less though I have not checked this. They are also pretty light and the 35-105 and 35-80 are pretty small for their range.

The Sigma 50/2.8 UC Macro is possibly one of the sharpest lenses ever, if a bit cool-ish in the color rendition. It's not unloved but used to trade for two digits unlike other macro lenses.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Takumar Bayonet lenses:
135/2.5
135/2.8
Not SMC, but otherwise nice lenses, basically identical to the A135/2.8.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fujian CCTV 35mm f/1.7 35$ Smile


PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

memetph wrote:
Minolta MD III 50 f2. Probably the cheapest Minolta standard and with a better performance in some aspects than many of his Minolta more regarded brothers.


+1. Currently my most loved 50 mm.


PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with the above votes for Yashicas and the Minolta MD(III) 50-f/2.

The ones I have all are pleasant surprises on just how excellent they are optically. And so cheap due to being overlooked.
Some of the Taiwanese-made Pentax K-mouints as well. Since they don't have the quality of the vintage Takumars, they are still very good deals. The ones with the SMC coating especially.

Old Sigmas (Stigma) too. Most deserve the bad rep, but when they were good, they are real good.

In the USA, we also have store-branded rebadged gear under the Sears, JC Penney, Focal marketing name. Many are actually Ricoh, Mamiya, Chinon, Samyang, and Tokina lenses.

Two $0.99 finds turned out to be fantastic were a Tou/Five Star MC 28mm f/2.8, well-received on MFL....and an Aston DX 28mm f/2.8. (also marketed as a Soligor C/D, and Osawa). Both are excellent optically, and built satisfactorily.

From a Japanese-made, unknown manufacturer, JC Penney Multi-coated Optics 135mm-f/2.8 w/55mm filter dia.

cLOSE eNCOUNTERS oF tHE bIRD kIND by wNG 555, on Flickr

The Tou/Five Star:
cHROMATIC iNTOXICATION by wNG 555, on Flickr
fATAL aTTRACTION II by wNG 555, on Flickr

Aston DX 28mm:
fINAL aPPROACH by wNG 555, on Flickr


PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Pentacon 30mm f3.5. Charity shop for £1.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would seem like the majority of us want critical sharpness and pixel peep to make sure we have it. To some that is the overriding decision whether to keep or buy a lens or not. I have been like that too.

But the photos you take with any lens is about the image, not the sharpness, the draw, the bokeh and so on. The samples above are super pictures - if only I were that good! Taken on cheap lenses that many here would turn their noses up at.


PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just bought a Panagor 2.5/28mm (looks absolutely identical to the Vivitar 2.5/28mm, which is Kiron-manufactured). I played a bit with the lens using the 24MP FF Sony A7 II. Then I compared it with the Minolta MC 2.5/28mm - and found it to have much better performance than the Minolta, especially at f2.5!

I do own three Minolta MC 2.5/28mm lenses (an MC-I, MC-II, and MC-X), and all of them perform identically. Therefore the test result should be valid.

Quite a surprise, in fact. I have tested other lenses from Kino Precision (Kiron), such as the 2/28mm; all of them were nearly as sharp as their Minolta counterparts, but up to now none of them was clearly better. Until today ...

Stephan


PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[stevemark]

That's a really surprising result. One of the first 28mm I bought was a Vivitar (Kino) 28-f/2.5. And it was terrible. I suspect it could be variance or wear, since the reviews show a split for this model, and my copy falls alongside the bad reviews. And I shoot on APS-C as well, it still looked unacceptable.
Interesting that it bested the Minolta f/2.5! Because I picked up one, awaiting de-fungus-ing and a UV bath.


PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not forget about the Pentacon 1.8/50!


PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemark wrote:
Just bought a Panagor 2.5/28mm (looks absolutely identical to the Vivitar 2.5/28mm, which is Kiron-manufactured). I played a bit with the lens using the 24MP FF Sony A7 II. Then I compared it with the Minolta MC 2.5/28mm - and found it to have much better performance than the Minolta, especially at f2.5!

I do own three Minolta MC 2.5/28mm lenses (an MC-I, MC-II, and MC-X), and all of them perform identically. Therefore the test result should be valid.

Quite a surprise, in fact. I have tested other lenses from Kino Precision (Kiron), such as the 2/28mm; all of them were nearly as sharp as their Minolta counterparts, but up to now none of them was clearly better. Until today ...

Stephan


I must correct myself to a certain extent: While the Full Frame corners were in fact clearly better when using the Panagor, the center and the field was much better when using the Minolta MC 2.5/28mm!

Stephan