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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:31 pm Post subject: Trying to unfungus a nice Canon FD 50mm 1.8 |
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Jesito wrote:
Martinsmith99 has been so kind of providing me with one for free (thanks Martin!) and I committed to a tutorial on disassemby and fungus killing.
This first attempt has been unsuccessful (in removing the fungus) but anyway, I'll show the lens and the steps taken.
This is the lens. Martin told me about some incipient fungus around the top lens border:
You can see them quite clearly:
On the bottom lens there were also some suspicious spots:
So I started from the top. At first I thought the 50mm 1.8 had a screwed nameplate, so I took the rubber lens wrench for that diameter and tried to unscrew it:
But the plate was turning without unscrewing, so I went to the laptop and searched for "FD 50mm disassmbly" and found the page from Rick Oleson where he disassembles the 50mm 1.4. I learned there that the plate was glued and not screwed, so I protected the lens with s piece of microfiber fabric and placed a small plastic screwdriver under the plate. It popped up and showed the top of the lens itself:
Three small screws that fix the top. Taking them out , frees the retainer for the top optical element:
Gently turning down the lens dropped the top element.
It seems to be made up of two lenses, glued onto a plastic piece:
Not clear to me if the fungus was on top or inside the lens, so I used the common practice: hands cream on top of the lens:
For half an hour I was expecting the same results than with the 500mm mirror (that one had a worse infection).
But unexpectedly the treatment didn't provide any results. So I have to infer these fungus are not on top. It will be really difficult to disassemble the top element, so I assembled it back for now and see what else can be done.
Again thanks to Martin for such nice opportunity to learn about lenses..
Regards.
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wupdigoj
Joined: 18 Mar 2010 Posts: 85
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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wupdigoj wrote:
Thanks for sharing. I am in the search for a 50 canon lens, and (as I always do) will look for a fungused or a not-working-iris one, for price sake. It seems a very easy lens to work with. Regards
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
wupdigoj wrote: |
Thanks for sharing. I am in the search for a 50 canon lens, and (as I always do) will look for a fungused or a not-working-iris one, for price sake. It seems a very easy lens to work with. Regards
Javier |
Thanks for your comment, Javier.
Yet, it's quite easy, but beware where the fungus are: if they get inside the lenses, they are almost impossible to clean without expensive equipment.
The iris seems easy to handle. Once removed the top element you are in front of it, and is fixed by a few screws.
Good luck,
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Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
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Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
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GT
Joined: 23 Nov 2011 Posts: 11 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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GT wrote:
Hi Jes,
the two lenses of the central element in 50 nFD 1.8 are not glued onto a plastic piece, they can be separated. I just did this by gently but firmly pulling the plastic piece (which allows rotation for focusing, by the way, so it couldn't be glued : ). Once you've done that, carefully pull the smaller lens, which will come out.
I'm presently cleaning my fungus this way : )
Ciao,
GT |
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
GT wrote: |
Hi Jes,
the two lenses of the central element in 50 nFD 1.8 are not glued onto a plastic piece, they can be separated. I just did this by gently but firmly pulling the plastic piece (which allows rotation for focusing, by the way, so it couldn't be glued : ). Once you've done that, carefully pull the smaller lens, which will come out.
I'm presently cleaning my fungus this way : )
Ciao,
GT |
Many thanks for the tip!. I have to open it again, it has been put into an autoclave to kill the fungus... and also has killed the diaphragm
Will report!.
Regards.
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Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3701 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Sadly S.C. version has all front system elements wrapped in one piece of plastic which cannot be separated as described above. I already started carving plastic profile to release the front element (under which fungus resides). Is there a better way to get the element out?
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kimherrick
Joined: 22 Nov 2015 Posts: 1 Location: florida
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:44 am Post subject: [img]http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/201511/9403_IMG_1893_ |
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kimherrick wrote:
this is the "second" element from the front of a canon fd 50mm 1.8 lens. it is not a single element, it is either glued or welded together somehow. and this is where I have found fungus or iridescent snow flake-ish like patterns, which may be in the coatings. however this is not a single element as some have suggested, it is 2 elements bound together somehow. how do we get them apart?[ href=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="postlink"> |
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:25 am Post subject: Re: [img]http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/201511/9403_IMG_1 |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
kimherrick wrote: |
this is the "second" element from the front of a canon fd 50mm 1.8 lens. it is not a single element, it is either glued or welded together somehow. and this is where I have found fungus or iridescent snow flake-ish like patterns, which may be in the coatings. however this is not a single element as some have suggested, it is 2 elements bound together somehow. how do we get them apart?[http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/201511/9403_IMG_1893_2.jpg[/img]][/img] |
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Gardener
Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Posts: 950 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:46 am Post subject: Re: [img]http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/201511/9403_IMG_1 |
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Gardener wrote:
kimherrick wrote: |
this is the "second" element from the front of a canon fd 50mm 1.8 lens. it is not a single element, it is either glued or welded together somehow. and this is where I have found fungus or iridescent snow flake-ish like patterns, which may be in the coatings. however this is not a single element as some have suggested, it is 2 elements bound together somehow. how do we get them apart? |
You don't. These elements are glued together, and while taking them apart is not that complicated putting them back together will most likely be well beyond your ability. |
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Malty
Joined: 30 Sep 2016 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Malty wrote:
Gardener wrote: |
kimfherrick wrote: |
Plus "second" element from the front of a canon fd 50mm 1.8 lens. it is not a single element, it is either glued or welded together somehow. and this is where I have found fungus or iridescent snow flake-ish like patterns, which may be in the coatings. however this is not a single element as some have suggested, it is 2 elements bound together somehow. how do we get them apart? |
You don't. These elements are glued together, and while taking them apart is not that complicated putting them back together will most likely be well beyond your ability. |
I would soak it in salt water first to kill the fungus and then put vinegar on it. |
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