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Zupremous
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 Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: Tinox Lenses? history?? Mount?? .....nothing? |
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Zupremous wrote:
Hi all,
I found a lens named Tinox, something really strange to me, I know there are many many different names, but this have something more.
I can't really find any info about this lens or the name or Company.
It's a 200mm f3.5 like many, but I can't find one similar campany made.
A C/Y bayonet, really well made, good detailed parts, Hood with inside velvet, moves smooth!
strange it's a bayonet that can be changed (like Tamron, Sigma YS...) what type is this??? I don't know the Sigma YS, can be?
Here some photos
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On the opposite side of the bayonet diaphragm setting ring, there is a limiter F stop, can be useful for??
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I don't even understand what need for that little lever next to the right black screw (over number f16) ....moves free without spring...
Will like to know the bayonet type, for changing to other mounts.  |
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Komura and I think also Sun had proprietary interchangable bayonet mounts in the 1970's. Could be one of them. Or maybe there was another maker with such a system.
The lever I think would indicate the current aperture of the lens to the body for open-aperture metering.
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PBFACTS
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Tinox Lenses? history?? Mount?? .....nothing? |
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PBFACTS wrote:
| Zupremous wrote: |
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On the opposite side of the bayonet diaphragm setting ring, there is a limiter F stop, can be useful for?? |
To indicate to the mount , the max aperture
| luisalegria wrote: |
Komura and I think also Sun had proprietary interchangable bayonet mounts in the 1970's. Could be one of them. Or maybe there was another maker with such a system.
The lever I think would indicate the current aperture of the lens to the body for open-aperture metering. |
Not only
Soligor/Vivitar/Tokina T4.. but this mount is not
Vivitar/Tokina Tx.. but this mount is not
Sigma YS/YX + Sun YS .. but this mount is not
Soligor U/S (Could be this one but i have heard that the mount had 2x max aperture only : 2.8 & 5.6)
Toshiba/Topman . but this mount is not (the toshiba mount is specific to the aperture)
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OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8
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casualcollector
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
I recall a system advertised as Chinon Dial Fit, though I never saw one. that's one possibility. Komura and Sun, esp. Sun seem to be the more likely suspects. When Soligor dropped Tokina and T4, there was a successor system, but again, I've only heard of it and not seen it.
Interesting find. Now I'll have to have one!!
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PBFACTS
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PBFACTS wrote:
| casualcollector wrote: |
I recall a system advertised as Chinon Dial Fit, though I never saw one. that's one possibility. Komura and Sun, esp. Sun seem to be the more likely suspects. When Soligor dropped Tokina and T4, there was a successor system, but again, I've only heard of it and not seen it.
Interesting find. Now I'll have to have one!! |
The soligor successor of t4 was the u/s system
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OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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DSG
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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DSG wrote:
| PBFACTS wrote: |
| casualcollector wrote: |
I recall a system advertised as Chinon Dial Fit, though I never saw one. that's one possibility. Komura and Sun, esp. Sun seem to be the more likely suspects. When Soligor dropped Tokina and T4, there was a successor system, but again, I've only heard of it and not seen it.
Interesting find. Now I'll have to have one!! |
The soligor successor of t4 was the u/s system |
Standing for useless no dought
I'm supprised no one has mentioned the obvious similarily between the mount of this lens and the Tamron Adaptall mount...  |
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Well, we also have the Tamron Adaptall of course.
But just to lay it out there, this certainly isn't an Adaptall, it is very different in every detail. Most fundamentally the bayonet lugs are on the lens side on this system.
So far the leading contenders are -
- Sun
- Tokina u/s
- Komura, later mount system with open aperture metering support, not the Uni-Auto
Other details on this lead me to prefer Sun, but I have to say I have never seen one of the later Sun interchangable mounts.
Anybody got pictures of these weird mounts ?
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visualopsins
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visualopsins wrote:
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Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
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Zupremous
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Tinox Lenses? history?? Mount?? .....nothing? |
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Zupremous wrote:
°°°°° Thanks all °°°°°
| luisalegria wrote: |
| The lever I think would indicate the current aperture of the lens to the body for open-aperture metering. |
I don't know, but that it's a third lever, the one you talking about I think it's on the right side, on the top it's the aperture preview lever, and the lower one it's ...?
| PBFACTS wrote: |
| To indicate to the mount , the max aperture |
I found that the aperture setting button/lever (f2.8 - f3.5 - f4.5 - f5.6), it's really a limiter , for example if I select f4.5, I can't set any aperture lower than 4.5 (only from 4.5 to f22) ....and so on.
I think can be useful for some situations, work ...strange 
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Not only
Soligor/Vivitar/Tokina T4.. but this mount is not
Vivitar/Tokina Tx.. but this mount is not
Sigma YS/YX + Sun YS .. but this mount is not
Soligor U/S (Could be this one but i have heard that the mount had 2x max aperture only : 2.8 & 5.6)
Toshiba/Topman . but this mount is not (the toshiba mount is specific to the aperture) |
WOW, all this mounts?
Thanks Visualopsins for the soligor mount photos
not the same as TINOX
Yes Luisalegria Will like to see the other types....
If I find a way to do..... I'll try lay the Tinox precisely on my camera and make some shoots, and will post here soon. [/i] |
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Zupremous
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Zupremous wrote:
More photos of the mount for easy recognize
It has 4 teeth instead of 3 like I always seen on others...
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PBFACTS
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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PBFACTS wrote:
| luisalegria wrote: |
Well, we also have the Tamron Adaptall of course.
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Sorry to have forgot it (it was too obvious)
So in the 70/80's : Adapta-matic + Adaptall + Adaptall 2.. But this mount is not
| luisalegria wrote: |
- Tokina u/s
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Are you sure u/s is tokina's ? (i only saw the name with soligor and mainly (only ?) with sun lookalike lenses
| Zupremous wrote: |
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The lens itself looks close from toshiba/topman lenses
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OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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casualcollector
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
Hi PB,
Toshiba/Topman was a brand found rarely, if at all in the United States on lenses. Toshiba did appear here on filters. I'm guessing the brand was more widely seen in Europe and Asia. Any knowledge of who manufactured Toshiba/Clubman?
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Found: 135/2.8 #R407660, 200/4 #R405526, 300/5.5 #R411127 |
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PBFACTS
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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PBFACTS wrote:
| casualcollector wrote: |
Hi PB,
Toshiba/Topman was a brand found rarely, if at all in the United States on lenses. Toshiba did appear here on filters. I'm guessing the brand was more widely seen in Europe and Asia. Any knowledge of who manufactured Toshiba/Clubman? |
Not Clubman (manufacturer of tripods) : TOPMAN
Topman was the manufacturer: they bought the Miranda factory
They first sold tripods and later lenses they manufactured "in house"
I do not know if it was a financial connection beetween toshiba and topman
Toshiba sold topman lenses without modifications apart the name
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OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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Zupremous
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Tinox Lenses? history?? Mount?? .....nothing? |
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Zupremous wrote:
| PBFACTS wrote: |
Soligor/Vivitar/Tokina T4.. but this mount is not
Vivitar/Tokina Tx.. but this mount is not
Sigma YS/YX + Sun YS .. but this mount is not
Soligor U/S (Could be this one but i have heard that the mount had 2x max aperture only : 2.8 & 5.6)
Toshiba/Topman . but this mount is not (the toshiba mount is specific to the aperture) |
Good to see all mounts togheter ...I just put some URLs of photos of the mounts
can't find all mounts, if anyone has photos, please help
Soligor/Vivitar/Tokina T4
http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/lensmounts/mount-t4.jpg
http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/images/121232.jpg
Vivitar/Tokina Tx.. but this mount is not
http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/images/88850.jpg
Sigma YS/YX + Sun YS .. but this mount is not
http://ic2.pbase.com/o5/94/6094/1/69404449.gJEk6pv2.YSSRTmount2573.jpg
http://i.pbase.com/o5/94/6094/1/69404367.IhjNuSt0.YSMountApertureLinkageSR2565.jpg
http://i.pbase.com/o5/94/6094/1/69404468.xyp6vUEB.YSTMountMinolta2575.jpg
Tamron Adaptall
http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/lensmounts/mount-adaptall.jpg
Komura Mount
http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/images/56935.jpg
http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/images/56939.jpg
Soligor U/S 
Toshiba/Topman
Tinox mount |
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