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kds315*
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: The Zeiss Lens Database Documentation |
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kds315* wrote:
THIELE, Hartmut: Fabrikationsbuch Photooptik
Vol. I - Carl Zeiss Jena 1890-1927, Munich 2005, €29.80.- (pre Zeiss Ikon)
Vol. II - Carl Zeiss Jena 1927-1991, Munich 2005, €49.80.- (Zeiss Ikon to VEB Carl Zeiss)
Vol. III - Carl Zeiss Oberkochen 1948-1996, Munich 2005, €29.80.- (the West German Zeiss)
Unfortunately these are private prints by the author and are not registered under an ISBN.
All these mentioned ones could be bought from Lindemanns Books Store in Stuttgart, Germany for German/EU clientel:
http://www.lindemanns.de/shop/migal/limashop1/limastart.php
Thiele, Hartmut
Fabrikationsbuch Photooptik III [zwei]. Carl Zeiss.
Carl Zeiss [Oberkochen]. / München / Selbstverlag / 2005 / 1. Aufl. / 140 S. / A4 / NN / Buch / Photographie - Photographiegeschichte - Photoindustrie - Phototechnik, Optik, Objektive - Deutschland - 19. Jahrh. - 20. Jahrh. / Die Objektivfertigung von Carl zeiss Oberkochen von 1946 bis 1996, in Tabellen sortiert nach Fertigungsnummern, Photoobjektiven und Kameraanpassungen. - Nur Kurztitelaufnahme 03.2006.
Thiele, Hartmut
Fabrikationsbuch Photooptik II [zwei]. Carl Zeiss Jena.
Carl Zeiss Jena. / München / Selbstverlag / 2005 / 1. Aufl. / 386 S. / A4 / NN / Buch / Photographie - Photographiegeschichte - Photoindustrie - Phototechnik, Optik, Objektive - Deutschland - 19. Jahrh. - 20. Jahrh. / Diese Aufstellung ist eine Auswertung der Fabrikationsunterlagen, in Tabellen sortiert nach Fertigungsnummern, Photoobjektiven und Kameraanpassungen. Es werden alle Prototypen und Spezialobjektive, Fertigungszeiten und Fertigungsmengen von 1927 bis 1991 aufgeführt. - Nur Kurztitelaufnahme 03.2006.
Thiele, Hartmut
Fabrikationsbuch Photooptik I [eins]. Carl Zeiss Jena.
Carl Zeiss Jena. / München / Selbstverlag / 2005 / 1. Aufl. / 160 S. / A4 / NN / Buch / Photographie - Photographiegeschichte - Photoindustrie - Phototechnik, Optik, Objektive - Deutschland - 19. Jahrh. - 20. Jahrh. / Die Objektivfertigung von 1890 bis 1927, sortiert nach Nummern und Kameraherstellern. Auflistung der Verkäufe von 1890 bis 1927. - Nur Kurztitelaufnahme 03.2006.
Thiele, Hartmut
Fabrikationsbuch Photooptik Voigtländer.
Voigtländer. / München / Selbstverlag / 2004 / 1. Aufl. / 292 S. / A4 / NN / Buch / Photographie - Photographiegeschichte - Photoindustrie - Phototechnik, Optik, Objektive - Deutschland - 19. Jahrh. - 20. Jahrh. / Diese Aufstellung ist eine Auswertung der Fabrikationsunterlagen sortiert nach Fertigungsnummern, Photoobjektiven und Kameraanpassungen. Die Fertigungsmengen und Fertigungszeiten werden in 4 Tabellen von 1883 bis 1929 und 1960 bis zur letzten Fertigung 1972 vollständig aufgeführt. Für die Periode 1930 bis 1959 wurde eine unvollständige Sammlerliste eingefügt. - Nur Kurztitelaufnahme 03.2006.
Thiele, Hartmut
Deutsche Photooptik von A - Z.
München / Selbstverlag / 2004 / 2. Aufl. / 156 S. / A4 / NN / Buch / Photographie - Photographiegeschichte - Photoindustrie - Phototechnik, Optik, Objektive - Deutschland - 19. Jahrh. - 20. Jahrh. / Alphabetisch geordnet nach Herstellern und Objektivnamen werden alle Objektive für Aufnahme, Film, Labor und Projektion, dazu Spezial- und Sonderausführungen auglistet. Eine Aufstellung von Zentralverschlüssen für Aufnahmeobjektive, Optikkonstrukteure, Objektiv-Patente und ein technischer Anhang ergänzen das Nachschlagewerk. - Nur Kurztitelaufnahme 03.2006.
Link to ZEISS mentioning his works:
http://www.zeiss.de/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/edfb9689c0617298c125711800625e3f
For the US clientel:
http://www.camerabooks.com/Departments/Alpa-to-Zeiss-Reference-Books-and-Original-Instruction-Manuals/Reference-Books--German-made-Cameras.aspx?sortorder=1&page=1
For the UK clientel:
http://www.peterloy.co.uk/AlphabeticalTitle.htm
I am in no way related to any of the mentioned sellers, this is just for info of the lens enthusiasts here and to honor Mr Thieles increadible work which took him many years of research to list 20 million Zeiss lenses!
I have already posted that to the Zeiss Historical Society so it was time to have it also here....
He has also done similar work on Rodenstock, Voigtlaender, Leitz and other companies....
Cheers, _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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bob955i
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bob955i wrote:
Consider it stickied Klaus. |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Hey ! Many thanks!! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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kds315*
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Most welcome Attilla,
now there is no excuse anymore not to know anything about ZEISS lenses _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
_________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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KhanX
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KhanX wrote:
Thank you Klaus. _________________ Camera : Leica M8, Sony Nex5, Sigma SD14, Canon 5D, Olympus E-1, Panasonic DMC L1, Pentax K10D Grand Prix, Nikon D1X, Contax RTS III, Contax 167MT, Exakta RTL1000, Minolta X-700, Canon T90, Canon F-1, Pentacon Six TL
Lens :
Tele : Canon FD 300mm f2.8 s.s.c. fluorite, Mamiya 645 500mm f5.6, Pentacon 500mm f5.6, Sigma APO 300mm f4 macro, Nikkor Reflex C 500mm f8, Canon FD 200mm f2.8 s.s.c., Rubinar 300mm f4.5 mirror
Macro : Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.8, Vivitar VMC 100mm f2.8 Macro, Panagor PMC 90mm f2.8, Edicar 90mm f2.8 Macro, Nikon Micro 55mm f3.5, Takumar 50mm f4 Macro, Nikon Non AI 55mm f3.5 Micro, SMC Takumar 100mm f4 macro, Canon FD 100mm f4 Macro, Canon FD 200mm f4 Macro, Volna-9 50mm f2.8
Short tele : Pentacon Six 120mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Contax T* 100mm f2, Meyer optik Trioplan 100MM F2.8, Porst 135mm f1.8, Sigmatel ys 135mm f1.8, Schneider 135mm f3.5, Makinon 135mm f3.5, Komura 135mm f3.5, Hexanon 100mm f2.8, Schneider Variogon 80-240mm 4.5, Schneider 135mm f4
Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4
Wide : Leica Elmerit M 28mm f2.8 asph, Zeiss Contax 21mm f2.8, Zeiss Flextogon 20mm f2.8, Exakta 24mm f2.8 macro, Tokina 17mm f4 |
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indianadinos
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indianadinos wrote:
Hello,
Thanks for sharing the news, really helpful (at least for me) since i would never been able to find the books ...
Best regards _________________ Please visit my blogs Shooting with a Pentax K10D / FF Visions
Takumar: 24/3.5, 28/3.5, 35/2, 35/3.5, 50/1.4, 55/1.8, 85/1.8, 105/2.8, 120/2.8, 135/3.5, 150/4, 200/4
Pentax-K: M28/2.8, K28/3.5, M50/1.4, A50/1.7, M50/4 Macro, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, K135/2.5, M200/4, M70-150/4
Zeiss: Flektogon 20/2.8, 20/4, 35/2.4, 35/2.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Biotar 58/2, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer: Primagon 35/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Orestor 135/2.8
Schacht/Steinheil: Travenar 90/2.8, Travenon 135/4.5, Quinar 135/2.8, Quinar 135/3.5
Russian: MIR 37B, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 44M & 44M-2, Jupiter 37A
P6: Flektogon 50/4, Biometar 80/2.8, Orestor 300/4
Nikkor: Nikkor-O 35/2, Micro 55/3.5, Nikkor-S 50/1.4, Nikkor-Q 135/2.8
Fuji: EBC 28/3.5, EBC 55/3.5 Macro, EBC 135/2.5
Misc Lenses: Kiron 105/2.8 Macro, Tamron SP90/2.5
... and a few other Vivitar, Tamron, Sigma and Soligor lenses ...
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16654 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
If you can't get them, let me know, I might be able to help! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16654 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:07 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Company Lindemanns does not carry those books anymore.
Mr Thiele has decided to only sell his books directly. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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wolfhansen
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:16 am Post subject: |
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wolfhansen wrote:
Do you have a contact adress or homepage of Herrn Thiele? _________________ Greets
Wolfgang |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16654 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
wolfhansen wrote: |
Do you have a contact adress or homepage of Herrn Thiele? |
you have PM! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16654 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Just talked to Mr Thiele, he is sold out on the Zeiss book I/II/III series,
but will make availale a new, updated version in autumn 2018! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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