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alex_d
Joined: 19 Jan 2019 Posts: 416
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 11:34 am Post subject: the choice of bigger format folder |
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alex_d wrote:
Questions for people who have experienced the following cameras;
- Moskva 5,
- Voigtländer RF,
- and Voigtländer Bessa 1
Which one had 'the best' lens in terms of sharpness?
I didn't have the opportunity to thoroughly use any of these cameras as I would have liked for landscapes (kind of/similar to Ansel Adams),
but I need to make a decision and stick with one and sell other 2,
find some the time and get out of the concrete surrounded life for good.
Or for a longer period _________________ **
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4012 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:05 am Post subject: Re: the choice of bigger format folder |
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stevemark wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
I didn't have the opportunity to thoroughly use any of these cameras as I would have liked for landscapes (kind of/similar to Ansel Adams),
but I need to make a decision and stick with one and sell other 2
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I can't really answer you quesition, but ...
1) Check the three cameras yourself (and kindly inform us about the results, too ...). No need for a fancy subject, but a good opportunity to practise a reliably and reproducible workstyle. Get three rolls of b/w film, and shoot three images each (wide open, f8, f16) of a landscape / archtitecture scenery, plus three of a "close up" (e. g. persons). Examoning the negatives should give you a good idea about the performance of these cameras and their lenses
2) Don't expect wonders à la "Ansel Adams". Early on when I received my very first 24 MP FF Sony A900 I compared it with a Zeiss Super Ikonta 6x9cm, equipped with Zeiss Tessar 3.5/10.5 cm. I was pretty astoished to see that the 24 MP FF camera was outperforming the Ikonta / Tessar by far.
3) The famous Ansel Adams images ususally were taken on 8x10" film. Those cameras are huge ...!
Again - check your cameras carefully and let us know
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titrisol70
Joined: 14 Dec 2021 Posts: 183 Location: State of Denial
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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titrisol70 wrote:
The Moskva 5 was a Super-Ikonta descendant, and is ready for 6x9
I dont know whether the lens (105 mm) is a tessar clone?
The Voigtlanders, which lens do you have in those?
Skopars are decent and quite sharp if stopped down to f/8 or so
I'm a sucker for the cursive V cameras, so if you decide to sell that Bessa let me know _________________ Pentaxian and proud
Cameras: Spotmatic, I and F, Pentax ME, MESuper, ME-F, P30t, K-x, MZ-5, Mz-7 // K100D, Kx, K5IIs, K3-iii
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Super Takumar 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/28, 1:1.8/55, 1:1.4/50 (7-element), 1:3.5/135
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/55, 1:1.4/50, 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:4/200
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50
Lots of M, A, F, FA, DA series lenses |
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alex_d
Joined: 19 Jan 2019 Posts: 416
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
@stevemark
well .. this 1) -> Sure, I know this; it's a no-brainer.
However, it takes too much time, and it's very, very boring for me.
That's why I asked it the way I did.
2) i'll correct it "I want to spend some quality time in nature/mountains, and I also want to use a 6x9 format camera in case I see something worth of photographing .. that could be reassembled as Ansel Adams type of taking pictures"
@titrisol70
yes its a Tessar sold as Industar-24, 105mm f 3.5 lens.
Voightlanders are with plane all-round skopars, not heliars ( = internet wet dream voightlander II)
what is "cursive V camera" btw?
if you are interested .. i suppose you would like to see some pics of cameras _________________ **
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titrisol70
Joined: 14 Dec 2021 Posts: 183 Location: State of Denial
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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titrisol70 wrote:
Voigtlander used to stamp a cursive V in the front of the cameras, in their logo
Skopars are Tessars made by V, very good lenses _________________ Pentaxian and proud
Cameras: Spotmatic, I and F, Pentax ME, MESuper, ME-F, P30t, K-x, MZ-5, Mz-7 // K100D, Kx, K5IIs, K3-iii
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Super Takumar 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/28, 1:1.8/55, 1:1.4/50 (7-element), 1:3.5/135
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/55, 1:1.4/50, 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:4/200
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50
Lots of M, A, F, FA, DA series lenses |
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LittleAlex
Joined: 27 Nov 2008 Posts: 1731 Location: L'vov (Western Ukraine)
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: the choice of bigger format folder |
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LittleAlex wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
- Moskva 5,
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I had quite mediocre, to say no worse, experience with "Moskow" cameras in general, and their lenses in particular. But generally it is believed, that 2 and 4 are better then 5 models.
alex_d wrote: |
- Voigtländer RF,
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I have one prewar with uncounted Heliar. It is evidently better then even Super Ikontas. To leave Moskow camera alone. And my experience with Heliar lenses were very nice. However, I believe that postwar cameras with the coated lens should be preferred. [/b] _________________ "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept" - © H. Cartier Bresson |
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alex_d
Joined: 19 Jan 2019 Posts: 416
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
titrisol70 wrote: |
Voigtlander used to stamp a cursive V in the front of the cameras, in their logo
Skopars are Tessars made by V, very good lenses |
on non of my voigtlanders is anywhere a V to be seen, on this bessa RF is unclear what lens is it
I think i have some V's on old alu Jena tessar's
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I believe that postwar cameras with the coated lens should be preferred. |
a postwar folder with coated lens ? maybe only as is a Fuji _________________ **
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titrisol70
Joined: 14 Dec 2021 Posts: 183 Location: State of Denial
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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titrisol70 wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
on non of my voigtlanders is anywhere a V to be seen, on this bessa RF is unclear what lens is it
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Not even on the name at the top of the camera?
PostWar Skopars, were recalculated and coated and marked as Color-Skopar
https://web.archive.org/web/20120710041141/http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Bessa_RF_histo.html
The 105/3.5 is very capable _________________ Pentaxian and proud
Cameras: Spotmatic, I and F, Pentax ME, MESuper, ME-F, P30t, K-x, MZ-5, Mz-7 // K100D, Kx, K5IIs, K3-iii
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Super Takumar 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/28, 1:1.8/55, 1:1.4/50 (7-element), 1:3.5/135
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/55, 1:1.4/50, 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:4/200
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50
Lots of M, A, F, FA, DA series lenses |
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LittleAlex
Joined: 27 Nov 2008 Posts: 1731 Location: L'vov (Western Ukraine)
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:11 am Post subject: |
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LittleAlex wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
a postwar folder with coated lens ? maybe only as is a Fuji |
Voigtlander Bessa II 6x9 Rangefinder Color Heliar 105mm f3.5
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cywAAOSwBKFnGFOQ/s-l1600.webp _________________ "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept" - © H. Cartier Bresson |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5040 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:35 am Post subject: Re: the choice of bigger format folder |
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kansalliskala wrote:
[quote="stevemark"]
alex_d wrote: |
3) The famous Ansel Adams images ususally were taken on 8x10" film. Those cameras are huge ...!
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4 x5 would be a good compromise _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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