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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 11:34 am    Post subject: the choice of bigger format folder Reply with quote
Questions for people who have experienced the following cameras;

- Moskva 5,

- Voigtländer RF,

- and Voigtländer Bessa 1

Which one had 'the best' lens in terms of sharpness?

I didn't have the opportunity to thoroughly use any of these cameras as I would have liked for landscapes (kind of/similar to Ansel Adams),
but I need to make a decision and stick with one and sell other 2,
find some the time and get out of the concrete surrounded life for good.
Or for a longer period


PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:05 am    Post subject: Re: the choice of bigger format folder Reply with quote
alex_d wrote:

I didn't have the opportunity to thoroughly use any of these cameras as I would have liked for landscapes (kind of/similar to Ansel Adams),
but I need to make a decision and stick with one and sell other 2


I can't really answer you quesition, but ...

1) Check the three cameras yourself (and kindly inform us about the results, too ...). No need for a fancy subject, but a good opportunity to practise a reliably and reproducible workstyle. Get three rolls of b/w film, and shoot three images each (wide open, f8, f16) of a landscape / archtitecture scenery, plus three of a "close up" (e. g. persons). Examoning the negatives should give you a good idea about the performance of these cameras and their lenses

2) Don't expect wonders à la "Ansel Adams". Early on when I received my very first 24 MP FF Sony A900 I compared it with a Zeiss Super Ikonta 6x9cm, equipped with Zeiss Tessar 3.5/10.5 cm. I was pretty astoished to see that the 24 MP FF camera was outperforming the Ikonta / Tessar by far.

3) The famous Ansel Adams images ususally were taken on 8x10" film. Those cameras are huge ...!

Again - check your cameras carefully and let us know Wink

S


PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Moskva 5 was a Super-Ikonta descendant, and is ready for 6x9
I dont know whether the lens (105 mm) is a tessar clone?

The Voigtlanders, which lens do you have in those?
Skopars are decent and quite sharp if stopped down to f/8 or so

I'm a sucker for the cursive V cameras, so if you decide to sell that Bessa let me know


PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
@stevemark

well .. this 1) -> Sure, I know this; it's a no-brainer.
However, it takes too much time, and it's very, very boring for me.
That's why I asked it the way I did.

2) i'll correct it "I want to spend some quality time in nature/mountains, and I also want to use a 6x9 format camera in case I see something worth of photographing .. that could be reassembled as Ansel Adams type of taking pictures" Smile

@titrisol70
yes its a Tessar sold as Industar-24, 105mm f 3.5 lens.
Voightlanders are with plane all-round skopars, not heliars ( = internet wet dream voightlander II)

what is "cursive V camera" btw?

if you are interested .. i suppose you would like to see some pics of cameras Smile


PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Voigtlander used to stamp a cursive V in the front of the cameras, in their logo
Skopars are Tessars made by V, very good lenses


PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: the choice of bigger format folder Reply with quote
alex_d wrote:

- Moskva 5,



I had quite mediocre, to say no worse, experience with "Moskow" cameras in general, and their lenses in particular. But generally it is believed, that 2 and 4 are better then 5 models.

alex_d wrote:
- Voigtländer RF,


I have one prewar with uncounted Heliar. It is evidently better then even Super Ikontas. To leave Moskow camera alone. And my experience with Heliar lenses were very nice. However, I believe that postwar cameras with the coated lens should be preferred. [/b]


PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
titrisol70 wrote:
Voigtlander used to stamp a cursive V in the front of the cameras, in their logo
Skopars are Tessars made by V, very good lenses


on non of my voigtlanders is anywhere a V to be seen, on this bessa RF is unclear what lens is it

I think i have some V's on old alu Jena tessar's



Quote:
I believe that postwar cameras with the coated lens should be preferred.


a postwar folder with coated lens ? maybe only as is a Fuji


PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
alex_d wrote:

on non of my voigtlanders is anywhere a V to be seen, on this bessa RF is unclear what lens is it

Not even on the name at the top of the camera?


PostWar Skopars, were recalculated and coated and marked as Color-Skopar
https://web.archive.org/web/20120710041141/http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Bessa_RF_histo.html

The 105/3.5 is very capable


PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
alex_d wrote:


a postwar folder with coated lens ? maybe only as is a Fuji


Voigtlander Bessa II 6x9 Rangefinder Color Heliar 105mm f3.5

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cywAAOSwBKFnGFOQ/s-l1600.webp


PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: the choice of bigger format folder Reply with quote
[quote="stevemark"]
alex_d wrote:


3) The famous Ansel Adams images ususally were taken on 8x10" film. Those cameras are huge ...!

S


4 x5 would be a good compromise
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