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miran
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 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:01 am Post subject: Testing Minolta MD Zoom Rokkor 100-200mm/5.6 |
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miran wrote:
This is a weird lens. It's very long and thin, and gets even longer as you zoom to 200mm, to the point that it looks almost ridiculous. If it also had great image quality and somehow attained a cult following, I'm sure it would get a nickname that had something to do with pipes. But it doesn't and it didn't. I only took it out once so far and I'm not likely to do it again any time soon as it doesn't fit comfortably in any of my bags when mounted on a camera.
 Minolta MD Zoom Rokkor 100-200mm/5.6 by Miran Amon, on Flickr
As far as IQ goes, given the modest specifications, being slow at f/5.6, having not very wide range of focal lengths and a long MFD (2.5m), I'd expect it to have at least good performance wide open over most of the range. Between 100mm and around 160mm (last mark before 200) it is indeed relatively passable at infinity but towards 200mm it starts to struggle. Even stopping down doesn't do much. That and it's difficult to handle and get sharp photos even in good light without some sort of support because of the physical length of the lens.
It seems to get worse at closer distances with lots of softness and glow, especially at 200mm and in strong light. Again, it's better closer to 100mm and stopping down does help. One good aspect seems to be good correction of CA. In fact I didn't see any (nearly) even in difficult scenes, just a little bit in a few spots. Also handling of backlighting is above average for a legacy Minolta zoom.
I don't have many sample images and none that are any good, but like I said, I'm not going out to get more any time soon, so here's what I do have:
1. 200mm, f/8.0
 NEX6_0003_4863 by Miran Amon, on Flickr
2. 200mm, f/5.6: a little shake blur, but no CA
 NEX6_0003_4867 by Miran Amon, on Flickr
3. around 140-160mm, f/8.0
 NEX6_0003_4887 by Miran Amon, on Flickr
4. around 140-160mm, f/5.6, close focus: sharp and no CA
 NEX6_0003_4893 by Miran Amon, on Flickr
A few more in the album: https://flic.kr/s/aHskKWo7no
All in all I'm not really disapointed with this lens as I didn't expect much to begin with. It's sort of ok, but nothing special. I think this was a dead end in early zoom lens development and eventually better designs prevailed. So in the end it's going to be another zoom lens to complete the collection, but won't see much practical use if any.
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Oldhand
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Your results as shown look very good indeed.
I particularly like the first for its painterly effect and the others are splendid in their colour and definition.
Not too much to complain about there for me at least.
Thanks for sharing these
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miran
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miran wrote:
I don't know. In these threads I post links to my flickr photos, so what you see are downsized copies of downsized copies, which flickr automatically sharpens (way too much in my opinion). Looking at originals at pixel level (which I don't upload to flickr) I can tell you the quality is visibly worse than with some of the better lenses. Though for example #4 is indeed technically quite ok. Actually this lens is capable of good results as long as you know which settings to avoid, the only real problem is the form factor. If it was half the size (length), I would say I like it a lot. As it is, it's not worth the effort IMHO.
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devinw
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devinw wrote:
Looks pretty good actually! I have the Celtic version of this for sale right now actually. It's not worth anything (selling for $15 and it's not moving). A very odd slender and long tube indeed.
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miran
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miran wrote:
Indeed, ebay prices are mostly around 10-15 with an occasional BIN up to 30 or 40. So basically worthless.  But I'm after building a complete collection (within reason), so I'm keeping it. 
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papasito
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papasito wrote:
It's very cheap lens.
Tell me, please, which job do you prefer to do with it. |
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devinw
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devinw wrote:
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| Indeed, ebay prices are mostly around 10-15 with an occasional BIN up to 30 or 40. So basically worthless. But I'm after building a complete collection (within reason), so I'm keeping it. |
Oh, cool. A complete collection will be quite large !
Which lenses do you have so far?
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miran
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miran wrote:
Well, when I say a complete collection, I don't mean every focal length in every style (from original SR to latest MD-III, that would really be a huge collection) but rather one of each length (I prefer MD-II and MD-III at this moment). So far I have the following: 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/1.8, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/1.4, 50/1.7, 50/2, 50/3.5, 100/2.5, 135/3.5 and 200/3.5. And zooms: 24-35/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 35-105/3.5-4.5, 35-135/3.5-4.5, 50-135/3.5, 70-210/4, 75-150/4 and 100-200/5.6. Quite a few already. 
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devinw
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devinw wrote:
| miran wrote: |
| Well, when I say a complete collection, I don't mean every focal length in every style (from original SR to latest MD-III, that would really be a huge collection) but rather one of each length (I prefer MD-II and MD-III at this moment). So far I have the following: 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/1.8, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/1.4, 50/1.7, 50/2, 50/3.5, 100/2.5, 135/3.5 and 200/3.5. And zooms: 24-35/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 35-105/3.5-4.5, 35-135/3.5-4.5, 50-135/3.5, 70-210/4, 75-150/4 and 100-200/5.6. Quite a few already. |
 Not too shabby!
You need an 85/1.2 now
Too bad those are like $500. I really want one of those for my collection too.
PS: I didn't know there was a 20mm 2.8! That must be a rare one.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
| miran wrote: |
| But I'm after building a complete collection (within reason), so I'm keeping it. |
Same reason i bought it, to get closer to a complete collection! But I have never used it to be honest...... 
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papasito
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
| TrueLoveOne wrote: |
| miran wrote: |
| But I'm after building a complete collection (within reason), so I'm keeping it. |
Same reason i bought it, to get closer to a complete collection! But I have never used it to be honest...... |
To be medium, class lens, it should be a good one from 120/125 mm to 175/180 mm and from F/9,5 to F/14,5.
It can make good images. |
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Boris_Akunin
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Boris_Akunin wrote:
| devinw wrote: |
You need an 85/1.2 now
Too bad those are like $500. I really want one of those for my collection too. |
I thought he was collecting Minolta...
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devinw
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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devinw wrote:
| Boris_Akunin wrote: |
| devinw wrote: |
You need an 85/1.2 now
Too bad those are like $500. I really want one of those for my collection too. |
I thought he was collecting Minolta... |
oops, I meant 58/1.2 
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Boris_Akunin
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Boris_Akunin wrote:
| devinw wrote: |
| Boris_Akunin wrote: |
| devinw wrote: |
You need an 85/1.2 now
Too bad those are like $500. I really want one of those for my collection too. |
I thought he was collecting Minolta... |
oops, I meant 58/1.2 |
In that case, I agree, $500 is way too much for the 58/1.2 (unless you want to buy mine...).
I'd happily pay $500 for an 85/1.2 though, the nFD 85/1.2L sells for a bit over 600€ fairly frequently.
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TrueLoveOne
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
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$500 is way too much for the 58/1.2 (unless you want to buy mine...).
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Here's one on auction: https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/8577647-legendarische-minolta-rokkor-pg-58mm-1-2
(not mine btw, mine is not for sale)
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devinw
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devinw wrote:
| Boris_Akunin wrote: |
| devinw wrote: |
| Boris_Akunin wrote: |
| devinw wrote: |
You need an 85/1.2 now
Too bad those are like $500. I really want one of those for my collection too. |
I thought he was collecting Minolta... |
oops, I meant 58/1.2 |
In that case, I agree, $500 is way too much for the 58/1.2 (unless you want to buy mine...).
I'd happily pay $500 for an 85/1.2 though, the nFD 85/1.2L sells for a bit over 600€ fairly frequently. |
I agree. Although (at least on ebay), most are being listed for $300-$500. This one is missing an entire element and is going for $250!:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Minolta-MC-Rokkor-58mm-f-1-2-REAR-lens-Missing-/272437140432?hash=item3f6e84dbd0:g:1T0AAOSwn7JYEUAO
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