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blotafton
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:25 pm Post subject: Tele Rokkor QE 200mm f/5 tested (not qd) |
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blotafton wrote:
This 200mm slipped under the radar on a Swedish auction site. It looked interesting and would fit well along with my TC 135mm f/4 rokkor. Seems like a rare lens.
I wasn't expecting much. But that was a big mistake. It has very respectable performance edge to edge stopped down, and also usable at at f/5.
Taken with a Sony a7, raw files converted and ajusted with ACR/Photoshop. One "from the camera" photo is included for reference.
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#6 100% crop
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#8 100% crop
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#10 100% crop
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#14 ACR, default settings.

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kiddo
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:13 am Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
Very lovely pics , never seen such a Minolta before - what's the mfd? |
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blotafton
 Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1658 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:53 am Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Thanks!
2.5m/8ft.
This is the one and only example I've seen. It would be interesting to know how many that were made. |
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blotafton
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:07 am Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
It's QE, not QD, Sorry. |
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stevemark
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
It's QE, not QD, Sorry. |
Yep. Lens section is here:
http://artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/465-minolta-200mm-f5
Steve _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
I took this lens out yesterday on a trip to Hastings (MINOLTA TELE ROKKOR-QE 1:5 f=200mm)
Example images taken with this rather uncommon Minolta lens are few and far between, so I'm adding a few to this thread. The reduced size ones have had a very small amount of additional sharpening to make them look good at reduced size, but both the 100% crops are straight out of the camera JPEGs only converted from AdobeRGB to sRGB.
The 9 rounded aperture blades help prevent a nervous bokeh.
Shingle beaches are a tough environment for industrial equipment; this poor tractor dozer has seen better days...
#1 - taken at f/8
#2 (100% centre crop of #1) This lens doesn't set any sharpness records but it performs very well for its era.
#3 - taken at f/8
#4 (100% centre crop of #3)
#5 - taken at f/8
This shot of a shiny boat propeller reflecting the sun was just a stop overexposed, but it does show that this lens deals reasonably well with flare-prone conditions, despite its older generation coatings and shiny aperture blades:
#6 - taken at f/8
#7 - taken at f/11
 _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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stevemark
 Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4264 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Nice images!
Sadly I missed the only 5/200mm Rokkor I've ever seen here in Switzerland, a few ago. If you could contribute an image of the lens in the "artaphot" style I would love to put it on my website. Of course I would properly give credit to your image rights
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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caspert79
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Pretty solid results it seems. |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:18 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
Nice images!
Sadly I missed the only 5/200mm Rokkor I've ever seen here in Switzerland, a few ago. If you could contribute an image of the lens in the "artaphot" style I would love to put it on my website. Of course I would properly give credit to your image rights
S |
Happy to try and see what I can do, but it may take a little while; I currently don't have anything I can use to set up as a curved neutral grey background like you have in your lens images. I'll see if I can find something suitable to replicate your lighting setup; a large neutral grey background is going to come in handy anyway. _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:02 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
Pretty solid results it seems. |
A few of the Minolta ROKKOR preset lenses are quite decent performers.
They can't quite compete with their modern counterparts, but people are often surprised at how well these old ROKKOR 100/135/200 preset lenses perform. _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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michelb
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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michelb wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
Thanks!
2.5m/8ft.
This is the one and only example I've seen. It would be interesting to know how many that were made. |
From my records, it appears around 3500 were made/sold so that explains why it is not easy to find (even more so with the original reversible lens shade and case)
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caspert79
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Anyone compared this to the Takumar 200/5.6? I’m quite happy with the latter, because it’s so tiny and still quite good. |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
michelb wrote: |
From my records, it appears around 3500 were made/sold so that explains why it is not easy to find (even more so with the original reversible lens shade and case) |
Yes, that shade is an unusual one for Minolta; it has a vinyl ring on the inside such that when reversed it clamps lightly around the lens, and the cap then clamps around the reversed hood. Hence that only works in conjunction with the original metal lens cap. It is the only Minolta shade in my collection that works that way. _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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stevemark
 Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4264 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
stevemark wrote: |
Nice images!
Sadly I missed the only 5/200mm Rokkor I've ever seen here in Switzerland, a few ago. If you could contribute an image of the lens in the "artaphot" style I would love to put it on my website. Of course I would properly give credit to your image rights
S |
Happy to try and see what I can do, but it may take a little while; I currently don't have anything I can use to set up as a curved neutral grey background like you have in your lens images. I'll see if I can find something suitable to replicate your lighting setup; a large neutral grey background is going to come in handy anyway. |
Thanks a lot - the images below would be sufficient (I can replace the background, and on artaphot the images are low res anyway)!
I'll inform you as soon as I'm done
S
EDIT: here you are ... is it OK? http://www.artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/465-minolta-200mm-f5
EDIT II: the Tele Rokkors 4/135mm, 5.6/300mm and 4.5/300mm (same series of Tele Rokkors) shouldn't be underestimated as well. Especially the 4/135mm - a simple triplet - can give great results if field curvature isn't an issue, and if you are willing to stop down to f8 or f111. Less CAs than the venerable [4/4] MC/MD Tele Rokkor 2.8/135mm, and very good contrast / detail resolution. Remember ... those early Rokkors were multi coated (long before the other manufacturers made a big fuss about the "multi coated" or "even super multi coated", "Super spectra coated", "T*" or "P. C." lenses ...)
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:08 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
EDIT: here you are ... is it OK? http://www.artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/465-minolta-200mm-f5
EDIT II: the Tele Rokkors 4/135mm, 5.6/300mm and 4.5/300mm (same series of Tele Rokkors) shouldn't be underestimated as well. Especially the 4/135mm - a simple triplet - can give great results if field curvature isn't an issue, and if you are willing to stop down to f8 or f111. Less CAs than the venerable [4/4] MC/MD Tele Rokkor 2.8/135mm, and very good contrast / detail resolution. Remember ... those early Rokkors were multi coated (long before the other manufacturers made a big fuss about the "multi coated" or "even super multi coated", "Super spectra coated", "T*" or "P. C." lenses ...)
S |
The image is fine, but you should give credit to the right person; that image is by michelb (Michel B), not by me! (so that isn't my copy of that lens either )
(from your earlier post I had the impression you had mixed up who posted that image of the lens ) _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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blotafton
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
stevemark wrote: |
EDIT: here you are ... is it OK? http://www.artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/465-minolta-200mm-f5
EDIT II: the Tele Rokkors 4/135mm, 5.6/300mm and 4.5/300mm (same series of Tele Rokkors) shouldn't be underestimated as well. Especially the 4/135mm - a simple triplet - can give great results if field curvature isn't an issue, and if you are willing to stop down to f8 or f111. Less CAs than the venerable [4/4] MC/MD Tele Rokkor 2.8/135mm, and very good contrast / detail resolution. Remember ... those early Rokkors were multi coated (long before the other manufacturers made a big fuss about the "multi coated" or "even super multi coated", "Super spectra coated", "T*" or "P. C." lenses ...)
S |
The image is fine, but you should give credit to the right person; that image is by michelb (Michel B), not by me! (so that isn't my copy of that lens either )
(from your earlier post I had the impression you had mixed up who posted that image of the lens ) |
I don't have a backdrop or studio equipment but I can take a picture for your site. |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
stevemark wrote: |
EDIT: here you are ... is it OK? http://www.artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/465-minolta-200mm-f5
EDIT II: the Tele Rokkors 4/135mm, 5.6/300mm and 4.5/300mm (same series of Tele Rokkors) shouldn't be underestimated as well. Especially the 4/135mm - a simple triplet - can give great results if field curvature isn't an issue, and if you are willing to stop down to f8 or f111. Less CAs than the venerable [4/4] MC/MD Tele Rokkor 2.8/135mm, and very good contrast / detail resolution. Remember ... those early Rokkors were multi coated (long before the other manufacturers made a big fuss about the "multi coated" or "even super multi coated", "Super spectra coated", "T*" or "P. C." lenses ...)
S |
The image is fine, but you should give credit to the right person; that image is by michelb (Michel B), not by me! (so that isn't my copy of that lens either )
(from your earlier post I had the impression you had mixed up who posted that image of the lens ) |
I don't have a backdrop or studio equipment but I can take a picture for your site. |
This is adding to the confusion!
Stephan (stevemark) now already has the image he needs for his site, but he mistakenly thought I had taken that image instead of michelb ... _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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stevemark
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
The image is fine, but you should give credit to the right person; that image is by michelb (Michel B), not by me! (so that isn't my copy of that lens either )
(from your earlier post I had the impression you had mixed up who posted that image of the lens ) |
Oh shit, my mistake ... it was late (too late) when I was adapting that image ... I have taken it offline ... !
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
The image is fine, but you should give credit to the right person; that image is by michelb (Michel B), not by me! (so that isn't my copy of that lens either )
(from your earlier post I had the impression you had mixed up who posted that image of the lens ) |
Oh shit, my mistake ... it was late (too late) when I was adapting that image ... I have taken it offline ... !
S |
If you were happy with the image maybe you can ask michelb if he minds you putting it back up again (with him/her credited)?
If not, I can provide a similar image now that I know you can easily change the background. _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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blotafton
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Here is a picture you can use if it's good enough.
About the lens. I just noticed that the preset mechanism doesn't work. The aperture works smoothly in the full range but the preset ring does nothing.
The serial number is kind of interesting too.

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blotafton
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blotafton wrote:
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This is adding to the confusion!
Stephan (stevemark) now already has the image he needs for his site, but he mistakenly thought I had taken that image instead of michelb ...
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I uploaded a sample anyway, now he can choose  |
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stevemark
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
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This is adding to the confusion!
Stephan (stevemark) now already has the image he needs for his site, but he mistakenly thought I had taken that image instead of michelb ... |
I uploaded a sample anyway, now he can choose  |
Thanks a lot - since I haven't got an answer yet from michelb, I chose your image ...
http://www.artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/465-minolta-200mm-f5
If you prefer your real name for image credits, just PM me.
Thanks a lot for your help, that's really appreciated.
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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blotafton
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
blotafton wrote: |
Quote: |
This is adding to the confusion!
Stephan (stevemark) now already has the image he needs for his site, but he mistakenly thought I had taken that image instead of michelb ... |
I uploaded a sample anyway, now he can choose  |
Thanks a lot - since I haven't got an answer yet from michelb, I chose your image ...
http://www.artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/465-minolta-200mm-f5
If you prefer your real name for image credits, just PM me.
Thanks a lot for your help, that's really appreciated.
S |
I'm happy to help it's a really good site you have!
The nickname is fine to use. |
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michelb
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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michelb wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
blotafton wrote: |
Quote: |
This is adding to the confusion!
Stephan (stevemark) now already has the image he needs for his site, but he mistakenly thought I had taken that image instead of michelb ... |
I uploaded a sample anyway, now he can choose  |
Thanks a lot - since I haven't got an answer yet from michelb, I chose your image ...
http://www.artaphot.ch/minolta-sr/objektive/465-minolta-200mm-f5
If you prefer your real name for image credits, just PM me.
Thanks a lot for your help, that's really appreciated.
S |
I am OK with you using my picture on your site. Did not see you asked about it
You can choose from these too: https://www.flickr.com/photos/55173440@N08/albums/72157665662212295 _________________ Michel B
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