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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
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Great work, congratulations. For these things I got rid of my takumar and Pentax.
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Hi Franco.
The test is OK, of course, but we must take it with certain relativity.
See, if you did'n it yet.
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31601-takumar-club-273.html#post1044802
Please, see the # 4091.
Bad IQ???
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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francotirador
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We can not speak ill of Takumar or Pentax?
It's just that the worst fault of a high-end lens for me is the CA.
Of course, Takumar are very good, much more SMC .
No me peguen, soy Giordano.
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Contax RTS II y Minolta SRT 303 - 28-135 3.6 Tokina - Minolta MD 45 f2.0 - Minolta Zoom 80 200 4.5 (Leica)
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dnas
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
| francotirador wrote: |
Great work, congratulations. For these things I got rid of my takumar and Pentax.
Greetings. |
I made no value judgement, and I love my Takumars, so I certainly wouldn't get rid of any!!!!
Take a look at my first lot of tests, with the center shots. I estimated that the Canon FD SSC was first, followed by the SMC Takumar. (sharpness and contrast). The Canon FD lenses do not adapt well to other mounts, so if I wasn't using a micro 4/3 camera, for center sharpness and contrast, I'd probably pick the SMC Takumar.
These tests reveal HOW you can use these lenses.
For example, I'd might choose:
Portraits: SMC Takumar
Sharpness center to corner, wide open: Canon FD SSC
Sharpness center to corner, F4: MC Rokkor 58mm
No CA: MC Rokkor 58mm
If you KNOW your lenses and how they preform, use them to take advantage of that!!!!!!!  |
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
| francotirador wrote: |
We can not speak ill of Takumar or Pentax?
It's just that the worst fault of a high-end lens for me is the CA.
Of course, Takumar are very good, much more SMC .
No me peguen, soy Giordano.
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No, no, I didn't speack specially about takumar lenses. And each people have his own preference, of course. All of us must feel free to chose any lens. Of course !!
I could told about the relativity of the test, thing just said a lot of times here.
And I had in my mind the great pic of Kuuan (our forum's fellow too). I should put any other of the thounsands taken with the S-M-C- or other lens.
Anyway, the canon, what a lens!!!!! The MC 58 is terrific too.
Sometimes I asked about the 1,4/58 MC, and the answers were that it was not very good. Now I doubt about that opinion.
Rino (el que no le pegó a giordano).
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Excalibur
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Excalibur wrote:
***Sometimes I asked about the 1,4/58 MC, and the answers were that it was not very good. Now I doubt about that opinion.***
Variations in manufacturing.....machine/assembly tolerances etc, so the same lenses can vary in quality? The best way to find out about lenses is to test them yourself.
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Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
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dnas
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dnas wrote:
| Excalibur wrote: |
***Sometimes I asked about the 1,4/58 MC, and the answers were that it was not very good. Now I doubt about that opinion.***
Variations in manufacturing.....machine/assembly tolerances etc, so the same lenses can vary in quality? The best way to find out about lenses is to test them yourself. |
That's true. I've tested quite a few lenses like this, and there can be some variation. |
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
| dnas wrote: |
| Excalibur wrote: |
***Sometimes I asked about the 1,4/58 MC, and the answers were that it was not very good. Now I doubt about that opinion.***
Variations in manufacturing.....machine/assembly tolerances etc, so the same lenses can vary in quality? The best way to find out about lenses is to test them yourself. |
That's true. I've tested quite a few lenses like this, and there can be some variation. |
Yes, both are right.
But I'm in a little market (and not a cheap one), so when one of the "known" lens appears, there are some potential buyers. We need an opinion before buy a expensive lens (expensive for argentinos, may be not for all).
I can't buy one copy and other and other of the same lens. So I need the opinions before.
Thanks.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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francotirador
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If, but sometimes it them tries the lenses they are done without doing a previous service and for my experience the IQ change very much after the cleanliness.
The truth is that every lens that we buy should clean before using it.
Greetings.
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Canon L 80-200 f 2.8 - Canon L 135 f2 - Canon FD 135/2.5 convert to EOS - Yashica 50 1.4 ML - Canon FD 50 1.2 - Distagon 35mm 2.8 T AEJ - Minolta MC 24mm f 2.8 - Canon LTM 85 1.9- Canon LTM 85mm 1.9 convert to EOS - Rodenstock Heligon 50 1.9 - Color Skopar 50 2.8 & MAte Box & filters 4X4
Contax RTS II y Minolta SRT 303 - 28-135 3.6 Tokina - Minolta MD 45 f2.0 - Minolta Zoom 80 200 4.5 (Leica)
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
| francotirador wrote: |
If, but sometimes it them tries the lenses they are done without doing a previous service and for my experience the IQ change very much after the cleanliness.
The truth is that every lens that we buy should clean before using it.
Greetings. |
.......and old lenses should be fitted to the cameras that they were made for, and how were cameras lenses tested? Using film and then enlarging a chemical print or slides and projected. 
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Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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a20010494
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a20010494 wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
| dnas wrote: |
| Excalibur wrote: |
***Sometimes I asked about the 1,4/58 MC, and the answers were that it was not very good. Now I doubt about that opinion.***
Variations in manufacturing.....machine/assembly tolerances etc, so the same lenses can vary in quality? The best way to find out about lenses is to test them yourself. |
That's true. I've tested quite a few lenses like this, and there can be some variation. |
Yes, both are right.
But I'm in a little market (and not a cheap one), so when one of the "known" lens appears, there are some potential buyers. We need an opinion before buy a expensive lens (expensive for argentinos, may be not for all).
I can't buy one copy and other and other of the same lens. So I need the opinions before.
Thanks.
Rino. |
Sé a lo que te refieres! Acá en Perú los lentes vuelan!
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francotirador
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francotirador wrote:
| Excalibur wrote: |
| francotirador wrote: |
If, but sometimes it them tries the lenses they are done without doing a previous service and for my experience the IQ change very much after the cleanliness.
The truth is that every lens that we buy should clean before using it.
Greetings. |
.......and old lenses should be fitted to the cameras that they were made for, and how were cameras lenses tested? Using film and then enlarging a chemical print or slides and projected. |
Do not like the mix of old lenses on digital bodies??
It makes digital photography more exciting ...
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Canon 5D II-Sony nex 6
Canon L 80-200 f 2.8 - Canon L 135 f2 - Canon FD 135/2.5 convert to EOS - Yashica 50 1.4 ML - Canon FD 50 1.2 - Distagon 35mm 2.8 T AEJ - Minolta MC 24mm f 2.8 - Canon LTM 85 1.9- Canon LTM 85mm 1.9 convert to EOS - Rodenstock Heligon 50 1.9 - Color Skopar 50 2.8 & MAte Box & filters 4X4
Contax RTS II y Minolta SRT 303 - 28-135 3.6 Tokina - Minolta MD 45 f2.0 - Minolta Zoom 80 200 4.5 (Leica)
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dnas
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
| francotirador wrote: |
| Excalibur wrote: |
| francotirador wrote: |
If, but sometimes it them tries the lenses they are done without doing a previous service and for my experience the IQ change very much after the cleanliness.
The truth is that every lens that we buy should clean before using it.
Greetings. |
.......and old lenses should be fitted to the cameras that they were made for, and how were cameras lenses tested? Using film and then enlarging a chemical print or slides and projected. |
Do not like the mix of old lenses on digital bodies??
It makes digital photography more exciting ... |
It's simple.....
Test the lens on the body that you will use it with!!!!
If you test the lens with a body that you never use, then why test it that way?
For example, the Canon FD SSC 50mm F1.4 cannot be used on any film SLR except for old Canon manual focus SLRs. It cannot be used unmodified, on any DSLR, if you expect infinity focus. The only cameras that these can currently be used with are micro 4/3 cameras. So if you don't have a old Canon manual focus SLR, and can't test the lens on that, does it mean you shouldn't use it on a micro 4/3 camera??
Clearly as you can see from the results above, it's worthwhile using the Canon FD SSC 50mm F1.4 on a Panasonic G1. |
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francotirador
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francotirador wrote:
| dnas wrote: |
| francotirador wrote: |
| Excalibur wrote: |
| francotirador wrote: |
If, but sometimes it them tries the lenses they are done without doing a previous service and for my experience the IQ change very much after the cleanliness.
The truth is that every lens that we buy should clean before using it.
Greetings. |
.......and old lenses should be fitted to the cameras that they were made for, and how were cameras lenses tested? Using film and then enlarging a chemical print or slides and projected. |
Do not like the mix of old lenses on digital bodies??
It makes digital photography more exciting ... |
It's simple.....
Test the lens on the body that you will use it with!!!!
If you test the lens with a body that you never use, then why test it that way?
For example, the Canon FD SSC 50mm F1.4 cannot be used on any film SLR except for old Canon manual focus SLRs. It cannot be used unmodified, on any DSLR, if you expect infinity focus. The only cameras that these can currently be used with are micro 4/3 cameras. So if you don't have a old Canon manual focus SLR, and can't test the lens on that, does it mean you shouldn't use it on a micro 4/3 camera??
Clearly as you can see from the results above, it's worthwhile using the Canon FD SSC 50mm F1.4 on a Panasonic G1. |
Certainly. So much as a rokkor in an EOS.
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Contax RTS II y Minolta SRT 303 - 28-135 3.6 Tokina - Minolta MD 45 f2.0 - Minolta Zoom 80 200 4.5 (Leica)
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
***It's simple.....
Test the lens on the body that you will use it with!!!!***
Well I don't have a problem with that as I don't have a modern SLR or DSLR, but DSLR owners are just lucky that they are getting away with using old lenses designed/made for film use.
Some might say "a lens is a lens" but would think Canon etc would design a lens to work at best with their DSLR's electronics.
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Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
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dnas
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
| Excalibur wrote: |
***It's simple.....
Test the lens on the body that you will use it with!!!!***
Well I don't have a problem with that as I don't have a modern SLR or DSLR, but DSLR owners are just lucky that they are getting away with using old lenses designed/made for film use.
Some might say "a lens is a lens" but would think Canon etc would design a lens to work at best with their DSLR's electronics. |
Well, if you take the case of the old Canon FD SSC 50mm F1.4 (and all of the FD lenses), the cameras used with these lenses had no electronic connection to these lenses. And the electronics in those cameras were basic, and had no "smart" electronics.
You have to remember, the current Canon FE mount (completely electronic) was introduced in 1987. All the previous Canon FD & FL lenses don't fit the Canon FE mount. |
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francotirador
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Not always they work better, if more rapid and automatic. Neither they have the same aesthetics, the same image. Some of them work well in sensors and we recover something of this romantic epoch of the photography. With these " old jewels " we can choose better than type of photo want to do. The lenses are mas expensive today, but his construction is more cheap in many cases, regardless of electronics.
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Contax RTS II y Minolta SRT 303 - 28-135 3.6 Tokina - Minolta MD 45 f2.0 - Minolta Zoom 80 200 4.5 (Leica)
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
You can use old manual lenses because you have in mind the pic that you want to take, and you think that with the oldest lens you can obtain better or similar pics that using newest lenses.
But you can use the old pretties because you feel the pleasure of use that lenses, without thinking about the final pic. Not matter the pic, only enjoy the use of the lens.
And both can be mixed. The pics and the lens are having in mind.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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francotirador
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Your experience the pleasure of the collector Rino. And the truth is that they are worthy of collecting. I the pleasure of the image. The most important thing is that still give pleasure.
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Canon 5D II-Sony nex 6
Canon L 80-200 f 2.8 - Canon L 135 f2 - Canon FD 135/2.5 convert to EOS - Yashica 50 1.4 ML - Canon FD 50 1.2 - Distagon 35mm 2.8 T AEJ - Minolta MC 24mm f 2.8 - Canon LTM 85 1.9- Canon LTM 85mm 1.9 convert to EOS - Rodenstock Heligon 50 1.9 - Color Skopar 50 2.8 & MAte Box & filters 4X4
Contax RTS II y Minolta SRT 303 - 28-135 3.6 Tokina - Minolta MD 45 f2.0 - Minolta Zoom 80 200 4.5 (Leica)
www.isgleasphoto.com
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dnas
Joined: 14 Nov 2008
Posts: 488
Location: Japan
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dnas wrote:
| francotirador wrote: |
| Your experience the pleasure of the collector Rino. And the truth is that they are worthy of collecting. I the pleasure of the image. The most important thing is that still give pleasure. |
Since you have seen from my tests that I have at least nine 50mm (or 57, 58mm) lenses, I get pleasure from both collecting them and using them.
For example, I didn't include the Canon FL 58mm F1.2, or any of the F1.7 & F1.8 lenses!!! Or the others which include Chinon, Yashica, etc!! |
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009
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Location: UK
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Excalibur wrote:
| dnas wrote: |
| Excalibur wrote: |
***It's simple.....
Test the lens on the body that you will use it with!!!!***
Well I don't have a problem with that as I don't have a modern SLR or DSLR, but DSLR owners are just lucky that they are getting away with using old lenses designed/made for film use.
Some might say "a lens is a lens" but would think Canon etc would design a lens to work at best with their DSLR's electronics. |
Well, if you take the case of the old Canon FD SSC 50mm F1.4 (and all of the FD lenses), the cameras used with these lenses had no electronic connection to these lenses. And the electronics in those cameras were basic, and had no "smart" electronics.
You have to remember, the current Canon FE mount (completely electronic) was introduced in 1987. All the previous Canon FD & FL lenses don't fit the Canon FE mount. |
....DSLR owners are acting out the past in a modern way, for me I'm still in the natural past.....of old lenses and old cameras.
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Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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dnas
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Location: Japan
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dnas wrote:
| Excalibur wrote: |
| dnas wrote: |
| Excalibur wrote: |
***It's simple.....
Test the lens on the body that you will use it with!!!!***
Well I don't have a problem with that as I don't have a modern SLR or DSLR, but DSLR owners are just lucky that they are getting away with using old lenses designed/made for film use.
Some might say "a lens is a lens" but would think Canon etc would design a lens to work at best with their DSLR's electronics. |
Well, if you take the case of the old Canon FD SSC 50mm F1.4 (and all of the FD lenses), the cameras used with these lenses had no electronic connection to these lenses. And the electronics in those cameras were basic, and had no "smart" electronics.
You have to remember, the current Canon FE mount (completely electronic) was introduced in 1987. All the previous Canon FD & FL lenses don't fit the Canon FE mount. |
....DSLR owners are acting out the past in a modern way, for me I'm still in the natural past.....of old lenses and old cameras. |
Nothing wrong with that!!!! |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3754
Location: Argentina
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estudleon wrote:
| francotirador wrote: |
| Your experience the pleasure of the collector Rino. And the truth is that they are worthy of collecting. I the pleasure of the image. The most important thing is that still give pleasure. |
Touché. You are right.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 4569
Location: right now: Austria
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kuuan wrote:
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And I had in my mind the great pic of Kuuan (our forum's fellow too). I should put any other of the thounsands taken with the S-M-C- or other lens.
Anyway, the canon, what a lens!!!!! The MC 58 is terrific too.
Sometimes I asked about the 1,4/58 MC, and the answers were that it was not very good. Now I doubt about that opinion.
Rino |
..blushing..
thank's Rino
the photo of the Indian kid you had linked I had shown here too, see: http://forum.mflenses.com/portrait-s-m-c-f1-4-50mm-t27768.html
best greetings,
Andreas
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motleypixel
Joined: 12 May 2010
Posts: 135
Location: Austin, TX USA
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motleypixel wrote:
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The Hexanon is the worst of them, but I have to say, the Konica Hexanon 50mm F1.7 is a gem, and very sharp. (I've test that before)
Another one that also great is the Olympus OM Auto-s 50mm F1.8 Not as sharp in the corners, but brilliant contrast!!! |
Curious, with a Konica AR mount that the Konica Hexanon 50mm f/1.7 comes in...are there adapters for this mount for EOS?
Thanks,
Roy
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cheve
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
Posts: 182
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cheve wrote:
| motleypixel wrote: |
| dnas wrote: |
The Hexanon is the worst of them, but I have to say, the Konica Hexanon 50mm F1.7 is a gem, and very sharp. (I've test that before)
Another one that also great is the Olympus OM Auto-s 50mm F1.8 Not as sharp in the corners, but brilliant contrast!!! |
Curious, with a Konica AR mount that the Konica Hexanon 50mm f/1.7 comes in...are there adapters for this mount for EOS?
Thanks,
Roy |
I think, according to this http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/eosfaq/manual_focus_EOS.html you are out of luck(ie. with "lens-less" adapters).
Cheers,
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Adaptall-2: 17/3.5(51B),80-210/3.8-4(103A),60-300/3.8-5.4(23A) C/Y: CZ 35-70/3.4,RMC Tokian 80-200/4.5
EXk: Topcor Re Auto 35/2.8(broken),135/3.5, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5 Leitz-R: 50/2,90/2,180/4,180/3.4,Angenieux 35-70/2.5-3.3
M42: pentacon 135/2.8,135/2.8(preset),Super-Takumar 55/1.8,Meyer-Optik 50/1.8 FD: Voigtlander 125/2.5 SL
K: smc 50/1.2, porst 55/1.2, Takumar(Bayonet) 135/2.5 Minolta: rokker 58/1.4,58/1.2 nikkon: Nikkor H Auto 300/4.5
OM: 21/2,21/3.5,28/3.5,50/1.2,300/4.5,500/8,35-70/3.6, viv 17/3.5,viv 28/1.9,viv 135/2.3
Rollei: Voigtlander Color-Ultron 55/1.4 AR T: Tele-Astranar 135/3.5
EF: 30/1.4(Sigma),50/1.8,28-70L,80-200L,24-105L,70-300DO,18-200OS(Sigma)
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