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Super Cheap telephoto lens for Nilon D5300
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The olympus M43 have in body shake reduction, gives the preference over the panasonic lumix range. I still have my old lumix G1 that I got for 50 quid - very useful for quick pics for eg ebay - and adapters for just about every mount, there was a period when there were sellers in China listing adapters almost as loss leaders 1p start. But quite frankly there is no difference really in using a M43 crop factor camera with eg 16Mpx sensor and an apsc camera with a 24MPx sensor, you end up cropping more with the latter but still end up with more or less same sized pic. I would tend to go with the better ISO performance of APSC. I always got better pics with my pentax K5 (16MPx) than the G1 (12Mpx). But M43 does open the lens choice up to all the mounts so there are real opportunites with the odd ball mounts like konika to acquire something at an advantageous price. And another advantage can be that the electronic viewfinder (DON't get an M43 without one) auto adapts to low light. However my G1 is a bit clumsy to use when I want to magnify the viewfinder view to get focus more accurately, later models are better I think - easier and more magnification.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
marcusBMG wrote:
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novoflex not safe in Columbia
Shocked

Thats a very reasonable price from a shop/reseller - more typically 60-70. In Columbia you don't have as many options as we do in UK/USA/EU etc
Now make a bean bag.


Bean bag to support lens... Smile

Your results from 200-300mm can be cropped?

Answers to alex_d questions would help us provide more tips...

Getting closer is an option to long lens. Smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FsWWXlAh5Y

These were handheld crop-sensor EOS350D and Spiratone Sharpshooter.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
[quote="marcusBMG"]
Quote:
novoflex not safe in Columbia
Shocked

It is Colombia, the country in south america, we use to have guerrillas and a serious internal conflict. So walking around with a lens that looks like a weapon is not a good idea.


PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:39 am    Post subject: Re: Super Cheap telephoto lens for Nilon D5300 Reply with quote
alex_d wrote:

what birds, how big they are .. robin's & finches?
woods or open space? walking or sitting and waiting..?
Having a manual tele lens for birding without auto-focus and even ibis - it's a hard work to get anything in picture, not to mention sharp. Even for a birdy-photo-pro.
Easy way would be with a stady feeder situation

Hi Alex_d
Small birds
in the woods
walking

I know it's really hard


PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Visualopsins, thanks for sharing the photos.


PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Panasonic
All of the Panasonic m4/3 bodies have had very effective IBIS for several generations now. The G9II has a whopping 8 stops of it and can also use in-lens stabilization simultaneously.

marcusBMG wrote:
The olympus M43 have in body shake reduction, gives the preference over the panasonic lumix range. I still have my old lumix G1 that I got for 50 quid - very useful for quick pics for eg ebay - and adapters for just about every mount, there was a period when there were sellers in China listing adapters almost as loss leaders 1p start. But quite frankly there is no difference really in using a M43 crop factor camera with eg 16Mpx sensor and an apsc camera with a 24MPx sensor, you end up cropping more with the latter but still end up with more or less same sized pic. I would tend to go with the better ISO performance of APSC. I always got better pics with my pentax K5 (16MPx) than the G1 (12Mpx). But M43 does open the lens choice up to all the mounts so there are real opportunites with the odd ball mounts like konika to acquire something at an advantageous price. And another advantage can be that the electronic viewfinder (DON't get an M43 without one) auto adapts to low light. However my G1 is a bit clumsy to use when I want to magnify the viewfinder view to get focus more accurately, later models are better I think - easier and more magnification.


PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Super Cheap telephoto lens for Nilon D5300 Reply with quote
carlosriaga wrote:
alex_d wrote:

what birds, how big they are .. robin's & finches?
woods or open space? walking or sitting and waiting..?
Having a manual tele lens for birding without auto-focus and even ibis - it's a hard work to get anything in picture, not to mention sharp. Even for a birdy-photo-pro.
Easy way would be with a stady feeder situation

Hi Alex_d
Small birds
in the woods
walking

I know it's really hard


small birdy game;
- in the woods you will first hear them,
- if you first see them they will be within max 2-3 meters from you,
- autofocus in the woods could be a problem so maybe manual is 'beter' solution,
- then you could/should learn to 'zone-focus' in those situations,
- take a light monopod

I cant recommend a lens so easy as I think that you have to put together as the aspects of the landscape, your skills, km's you are ready to walk with the gear, the game .. to be able to find out the right lens SIZE - not so much a specific lens.
It's like hunting, you need a selection of rifle type with a specific ammunition for a type of game.
Or fishing ... a rod, hooks, byte, nylon stuff ..

I would go for a simple / affordable option around 70-135mm and practice. ..
a lot of practise and enjoying the time in the woods and nature.
having a less suitable gear makes you think, learn and adapt to the situation.

arent there vivitars, tokinas and such in variety of mounts and with some of them with very good reviews?
i have a tokina *something 70-135 3.5/4.5 (~appx). never took it out but from few test shots inside it looked to me as a decent lens. no CA, reasonably sharp, good contrast, not to heavy. more than good for hobby stuff.

and, why wouldnt nikon kit tele lens be suitable for the gig ?


PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: Super Cheap telephoto lens for Nilon D5300 Reply with quote
carlosriaga wrote:
alex_d wrote:

what birds, how big they are .. robin's & finches?
woods or open space? walking or sitting and waiting..?
Having a manual tele lens for birding without auto-focus and even ibis - it's a hard work to get anything in picture, not to mention sharp. Even for a birdy-photo-pro.
Easy way would be with a stady feeder situation

Hi Alex_d
Small birds
in the woods
walking

I know it's really hard

Get a Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR or Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR.

Last edited by calvin83 on Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:01 am; edited 3 times in total


PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Get a Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR or Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 G IF ED VR.


shapeau ! if you could write those models names without help from search

Wink


PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
alex_d wrote:
Quote:
Get a Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR or Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 G IF ED VR.


shapeau ! if you could write those models names without help from search

Wink

No. My memory is very limited. Laugh 1


PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2024 7:31 pm    Post subject: The lense has arrived Reply with quote
Hi everyone, finally the lens is in my hands. I was a little confused because when the lens was in an aperture different than the minimum, the camera showed an error, but it was easily fixed after a little google.

The lens is quite heavy and the weight of itself changes the focal length, don´t have a way to block it, or at least haven´t found it.

The focus ring is a little short, like 90 degrees is the entire run, but is soft, easy to turn with just one finger.

Took a couple of shots in my backyard. Not very good ones but better than i expected for my first try.

Thanks to all!

https://flic.kr/p/2psrT7V
https://flic.kr/p/2psqf64
https://flic.kr/p/2psqWSB
https://flic.kr/p/2pskz2G
https://flic.kr/p/2pstxMH

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2024 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Like 1 Like 1 Nice work! I like your flickr. Are you a scientist?


PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2024 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, that is nice work for most of them, especially considering the small DX sensor.
Quite well done.
Which lens did you end up with? Or did I miss a post somewhere...

Beware some of us are closet enablers here, with suggestions likely to follow of going to full frame Wink

-D.S.


PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
now make lot of pictures of birds,
and show us,
im a fan of vinches familly


PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
visualopsins wrote:
Like 1 Like 1 Nice work! I like your flickr. Are you a scientist?

Hi visualopsins, no I'm not a scientist, I'm a woodworker! you probably thought that because I use scientific names for the birds, it's because is easier not to get confused with the common names that vary a lot.

I'm just a bird enthusiast.


PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doc Sharptail wrote:
Yes, that is nice work for most of them, especially considering the small DX sensor.
Quite well done.
Which lens did you end up with? Or did I miss a post somewhere...

Beware some of us are closet enablers here, with suggestions likely to follow of going to full frame Wink

-D.S.

Hi Sharptail, bought the Tamron AF 200-400mm f5.6 75D LD IF Nikon mount, the camera is a nikon D5300.
I'm quite happy (maybe because ignorance is bliss), the lens was $80 and the camera $300, plus two bateries and the shipping spent under $500.


PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doc Sharptail wrote:

Beware some of us are closet enablers here, with suggestions likely to follow of going to full frame Wink

-D.S.

It seems to me that there is some controversy on the subject of full frame not necessarily being superior to smaller sensor, what is you take on that?


PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
alex_d wrote:
now make lot of pictures of birds,
and show us,
im a fan of vinches familly

Hi Alex_d don´t know what you mean by vinches family.

Sure, I'll post more pictures as my dexterity grows.


PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
carlosriaga wrote:

It seems to me that there is some controversy on the subject of full frame not necessarily being superior to smaller sensor, what is you take on that?


I have been comparing 24 MP APS-C cameras side-by-side with much older 24 MP FF cameras, both made by Sony, and came to the conclusion that for my purposes FF is clearly superior. I won't go into detail here, as I have done this before, and you can find it on mflenses.com as well. I am mainly shooting landscapes and cityscapes, usually with focal lengths between 16mm and 200mm, occasionally 300mm anr rarely 400mm. Sometimes I do portraits and street as well, ususally with 100mm to 200mm primes.

If you mainly are shooting birds in the wild, howeve, you need as much reach as possible, therefore an APS-C or even a u4/3 camera may be the better option, especially when you compar a "FF & vintage supertele" with an "APS-C & modern tele". If you need a really shallow depth-of-field and a really smooth background, you'll need one of those biggies plus FF though (e. g. 4/600mm or 5.6/800mm).

S


PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
carlosriaga wrote:
alex_d wrote:
now make lot of pictures of birds,
and show us,
im a fan of vinches familly

Hi Alex_d don´t know what you mean by vinches family.

Sure, I'll post more pictures as my dexterity grows.



Probably finches ; eg. Gold-Finch.

I just saw a young Red-Crested woodpecker a few minutes ago- at -20C.

-D.S.


PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ohh ok i thought ' everyone' knows it who make birdy pics ..

as mentioned, golden finch, green finch, bull finch, sisking ..

those guys


PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
alex_d wrote:
ohh ok i thought ' everyone' knows it who make birdy pics ..

as mentioned, golden finch, green finch, bull finch, sisking ..

those guys


Oh ok, sorry I know very little about birds outside my area, and usually name them by scientific name.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nature is so awesome. So many birds are becoming rare.

Okay so I found this wonderful website birds of Columbia https://birdsofcolombia.com/

https://birdsofcolombia.com/index.php/bird-galleries/tanagers/saffron-finch
https://birdsofcolombia.com/index.php/birds-by-family/passeriformes/sparrows
https://birdsofcolombia.com/index.php/bird-galleries/tanagers


Saffron finch Canario coronado Sicalis flaveola


PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Getting better

https://flic.kr/p/2ptd3Wo
https://flic.kr/p/2pt8q6t
https://flic.kr/p/2pt8q6i
https://flic.kr/p/2ptdMop
https://flic.kr/p/2ptd3XL
https://flic.kr/p/2ptdMoQ


PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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colibri coruscans espalda by carlos riaga, on Flickr
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