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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject: Soft Focus |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I've been reading this article by our friend and I'm interested in making something like it.
I'm nor sure what "Fixing the front cell focus at 1m" means. Is this some setting on the lens or does this mean lens surgery?
Are there any old folder lenses out there which are particularly good for this project? _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16664 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
well there are other real soft focus lenses also, use the search engine here and you'll find some entries! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Unfortunately the search for soft focus brings up 4717 entries, most of which are irrelevant except for one that leads here.
I'm looking more for a cheap project rather than to spend a fortune on a lens which has limited uses. And also what is meant by "Fixing the front cell focus at 1m". _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
I have a recollection of the article you are asking about... You know folding cameras, how you focus most of them: turn the front element (front cell).... the instruction is to focus the lens to approx 1m and then to compensate for this by adjusting the bellows. _________________ -Jussi
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Nesster wrote: |
I have a recollection of the article you are asking about... You know folding cameras, how you focus most of them: turn the front element (front cell).... the instruction is to focus the lens to approx 1m and then to compensate for this by adjusting the bellows. |
Ok, that's simple, I can understand that. Much obliged!
No I didn't know how to focus folders. My photographic knowledge is less than 3 years old since I began this hobby (read: addiction) in May 2007. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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olesku.pl
Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Posts: 17 Location: Poland
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject: Stockings ;) |
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olesku.pl wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I'm looking more for a cheap project rather than to spend a fortune on a lens which has limited uses. |
Buy some tights (stocking? I don't know exact names of women lingeries ) without much colour and put it on your normal lens - effect will be much softer than from normal lens, and this technique was known years ago
It's cheap and it's working _________________
"Мы хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда." / Olesku.pl - my photoblog (EN/PL) / Micro4/3 blog (PL only)
Cams have: Canon EOS 5D, Canon EOS 50, Kiev 4AM, Nikon d700, Nikon d300, Olympus PEN E-P1, Panasonic G1, Zenith ET; Cams had: Canon 40D, Canon 350D, Canon EOS 300;
Lenses have: Canon FD: Tokina RMC 80-200/4.0, Kenko x2 converter; C-mount: Canon V6x16 16-100/1.9, Computar 12.5-75/1.2; M39: Industar-61 58/2.8, Industar-69 28/2.8, Jupiter-8 50/2.0; M42: Helios 44-M-4 58/2.0, Rubinar 1000/10 mirror, Sirius MC 80-200/3.9, APS x2 teleconverter; Micro4/3: Samyang 7.5/3.5 fish-eye; Pentax PK: Zenitar 16/2.8 fish-eye; AF: some different Canons, Nikkors, Tamrons etc... Lenses had: M39: Industar-22 50/3.5 collapsible; M42: Pentor 135/2.8, Jupiter 135/3.5 MC, Carl Zeiss Jena DDR Sonnar 200/2.8 MC, macro-bellow; Nikkors: 50/1.8 E, 50/1.4 AI-s; Pentax PK: Porst 55/1.2 MC, Revue 55/1.2 MC (Tomioka licence?); others: Soligor Fish-Eye Conversion Lens x0.15 f3.5;
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Yes, I've heard of that technique. I'm really looking at making something permanent though. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16664 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
I used a meniscus lens, built into an empty enlarger lens barrel plus a helicoid, so now I have a nice f4.5/120mm adjustable softness soft focus lens. Works pretty well.
I like the "real stuff", no soft focus filters or vaseline or scratched front elements etc. to be honest. Nothing gives the glow a real soft focus lens has IMHO. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Got the VPK lens out but run out of time so I'll try when I get more of a chance to figure out how to get something semi permanent. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Jeff Zen
Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Posts: 262 Location: Northwest USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff Zen wrote:
Softar filters are the next best thing to a dedicated soft focus lens. They are pricey and do not work on all lenses though. |
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RioRico
Joined: 12 Mar 2010 Posts: 1120 Location: California or Guatemala or somewhere
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:04 am Post subject: Reviving an old topic |
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RioRico wrote:
Some ways to get a soft-focus lens:
* Get a lens that is filled with fungus. Darn, I already threw some away.
* I already sold (for parts) my Vivitar 24/2 with rear element separation and the iris stuck wide open. It was pretty damn soft.
* Put a magnifier lens or a meniscus from a trashed box camera onto a bellows.
* There is the old smear-sweat-onto-the rear-element trick. Sweat= nose grease. Never wipe it off, and it becomes permanent.
* Use sandpaper on the objective. If you have no lens you wish to sacrifice, get a wrecked Polaroid Swinger or equivalent from a thrift shop, extract the lens, mount it in a body cap (to put onto bellows) and sandpaper it.
* Almost anything around f/1.0 will be soft. _________________ Too many film+digi cams+lenses, oh my -- Pentax K20D, K-1000, M42s, more
The simple truth is this: There are no neutral photographs. --F-Stop Fitzgerald |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
I recently read an article in an old Pop Photo - I mean, from like 1941 or something - about how to use a telephoto attachment to make yourself a soft focus lens. The process has 3 ingredients: 1. your main lens wide open, 2. an aperture with teardrop shape cut outs plus a center hole made out of craft paper between your main lens and 3. the telephoto aux lens.
This makes a lot of sense to me - remembering how an auxiliary lens works to 'improve' bokeh due to its throwing off all those sharpness calculations... and the paper aperture letting through random edge aberrations... and your main lens wide open at its softest.
I have a Yashica GSN aux lens set, and plan to try this out soon with whatever SLR lens I have with the right thread size. Oh, and I have to find the aux lens set, couldn't lay my hands on it last night _________________ -Jussi
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RioRico
Joined: 12 Mar 2010 Posts: 1120 Location: California or Guatemala or somewhere
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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RioRico wrote:
A quick gargle reveals many possibilities, and reminds me of the cheap fast Sima 100/2 soft-focus lens. Some of the other gargled links point to pages describing LF lenses built for soft focus, how it's done. I should gargle more often. _________________ Too many film+digi cams+lenses, oh my -- Pentax K20D, K-1000, M42s, more
The simple truth is this: There are no neutral photographs. --F-Stop Fitzgerald |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:22 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Well since starting this thread I've dabbled on and off with this technique. I hate it so far for portraits as it just looks like mis-focusing. Flowers in spring/summer time look good as does some architecture.
I have the VPK lens on a helicoid which is pretty good, as well as a Canon EF 135 Sof Focus lens. I actually prefer the VPK lens for its character; even if it is hard to focus. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16664 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
What again is a "VPK" lens??
Got a GRAF 4.5/75mm soft focus cine lens, ca 1930 I would guess.
SF always needs strong contrast and/or some edges in the object(s) to make that "glow" appear. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
VPK= Vest Pocket Kodak.
It's a really old, small folder. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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