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lens A (file 6160) |
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lens B (file 6198) |
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metallaro1980
Joined: 10 Sep 2009 Posts: 385 Location: West Emilia - Fidenza (PR) 43036 - Italy
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
metallaro1980 wrote: |
the picture sdim6198hrokjs.jpg is more warm
the sdim6160hrrmv4.jpg has a green cast in the right....
am i right?
i prefer sdim6198hrokjs.jpg |
my eyes work very well
lens a is better? ugly green cast... IMHO... _________________
Olympus OM: 28 2.8, 35 2.8, 50 1.8 Made in Japan
Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
http://andreaverdi.altervista.org/ Vivaldi lives in my lenses....
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
As for the cast on the right side - the shots weren't taken during the same minute, there was a few minute delay, so angle of the sun changed a bit - maybe there was a small cloud which made the left side darker, anyway, it isn't a typical property of lens A to make right half of the image darker or greener I wouldn't take it into account, this is likely my fault
The poll is active for 7 days, so I'll reveal it on Wednesday. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:10 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
no-X wrote: |
The poll is active for 7 days, so I'll reveal it on Wednesday |
too long, I don't know if I will resist so many days, I cannot sleep anymore waiting for the results
no-X wrote: |
anyway, it isn't a typical property of lens |
typical foveon property _________________ T* |
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metallaro1980
Joined: 10 Sep 2009 Posts: 385 Location: West Emilia - Fidenza (PR) 43036 - Italy
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:14 am Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
no-X wrote: |
As for the cast on the right side - the shots weren't taken during the same minute, there was a few minute delay, so angle of the sun changed a bit - maybe there was a small cloud which made the left side darker, anyway, it isn't a typical property of lens A to make right half of the image darker or greener I wouldn't take it into account, this is likely my fault
The poll is active for 7 days, so I'll reveal it on Wednesday. |
With Oden on our Side
poilu wrote: |
typical foveon property |
barf barf barf _________________
Olympus OM: 28 2.8, 35 2.8, 50 1.8 Made in Japan
Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
http://andreaverdi.altervista.org/ Vivaldi lives in my lenses.... |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
poilu, I know what you mean, but color vignetting problem is related to the IR filter (you can remember, that Leica had a bit similar problem a few years ago) and regarding Sigma DSLR cameras this issue appears only when early non-telecentric wide-angle lenses of retrofocal type are used stopped down to f/8 or more (e.g. Primagon 35/4.5).
These are two 50mm standard lenses at f/4. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
Expire: 2019-08-29
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:47 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
no-x wrote: |
poilu, I know what you mean |
I was joking
but I still remember your test with the flowers changing colors in 5 minutes and I expect anything _________________ T* |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5080 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
6198 too. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
SLr and MF lenses : for feedback and helping people, cameras and lenses I own : full list here http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1442740.html#1442740 |
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bobcominitaly
Joined: 22 May 2009 Posts: 71 Location: Terontola (I)
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: |
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bobcominitaly wrote:
I opted for 6198, because imo its color rendition is a bit more vivid and contrastier (view colors of stucco and sunny spots beneath balconies). However, a little bit of overcast when 6160 was shot might also have caused the difference... |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Lens A wins
Lens A (6160) is Asahi S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4
Lens B (6198) is Asahi S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4 @ f4 _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Arkku
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
no-X wrote: |
Lens A wins
Lens A (6160) is Asahi S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4
Lens B (6198) is Asahi S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4 @ f4 |
Funny that A won in the number of votes even though it seemed to me (I won't bother to count) that most people who made a comment preferred B. Well, it was a very close comparison in any case. =) |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Very close, yes. Both nice images, of course.
But what must I understand? That the macro lens has a long distance rendering almost equal to the great SMC 1,4? Perhaps. Yes, it seems to be so. And that the two are nice? Yes.
I should vote for the B too. The IQ of the 1,4 is known for me, I use this lens like my normal ones.
But when I saw the greenish tonality I thought in pancolar-planar.
Thanks No-x. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11012 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
I almost asked "Takumars?" Thank you no-X! The comparison of these very same lenses @F/4 has been on my list of things to do for a long time! I have wondered if one was sharper. Imho we have seen here that the macro has more contrast and flat-field sharpness, and that the normal is as sharp as the macro, has smoother changes toward out-of-focus regions where macro out-of-focus changes are more abrupt due to more contrast. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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