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Steven Mols
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:06 am Post subject: Sigma-XQ Multi coated f=200mm 1:2.8? |
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Steven Mols wrote:
Hi Everybody,
I've recently bought a set of old M42 lenses. Inside the box I also found a very heavy lens named "Sigma-XQ Multi coated f=200mm 1:2.8" (see attached pictures). The lens has 8 blades.
I can only find information about the f4 version, does anybody of you guys have any information about this lens?
Best regards,
Steven Mols
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vivaldibow
Joined: 23 Jun 2018 Posts: 841
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Sigma-XQ Multi coated f=200mm 1:2.8? |
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vivaldibow wrote:
Welcome to the forum! I think the first post doesn't show the images. So I am quoting yours to make them show. It should be quite rare. Although XQ series seems to be the higher end of Sigma, its optical performance leaves to be desired. Do you happen to have some test photos?
Also I remember in this forum, someone posted a copy of the brochure showing the information of XQ series.
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Hi Everybody,
I've recently bought a set of old M42 lenses. Inside the box I also found a very heavy lens named "Sigma-XQ Multi coated f=200mm 1:2.8" (see attached pictures). The lens has 8 blades.
I can only find information about the f4 version, does anybody of you guys have any information about this lens?
Best regards,
Steven Mols
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Steven Mols
Joined: 05 Jan 2021 Posts: 4 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Steven Mols wrote:
Hi and thank you for your help .
I will make some pictures en place them in this topic.
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Sigma-XQ Multi coated f=200mm 1:2.8? |
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Gerald wrote:
vivaldibow wrote: |
Also I remember in this forum, someone posted a copy of the brochure showing the information of XQ series.
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http://forum.mflenses.com/sigma-xq-lenses-t73290.html _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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Steven Mols
Joined: 05 Jan 2021 Posts: 4 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Steven Mols wrote:
Nice thank you guys!
Now im wondering how rare this large chunk of metal is. When I have pictures ill show them right away |
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The_WB
Joined: 06 Nov 2020 Posts: 19 Location: Las Vegas, NV USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:23 pm Post subject: Sigma-XQ lens |
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The_WB wrote:
Looks big, looks heavy. They are built like tanks!
I own a Sigma-XQ 135MM f1.8 lens (Nikon mount) and it too is very heavy. Too hard to handhold and keep steady in low light situations.
Very interested to see the pictures it will produce. If you get a chance, please post a couple to satisfy our curiosity. |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3705 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Also here: http://forum.mflenses.com/sigma-ys-system-focusing-lenses-t38337.html
I had this lens. If front system focusing (soft focus) is unused, lens is quite nice, useful performer. Contrast is lacking but detail is there. _________________ ---------------------------------
The Peculiar Apparatus Of Victorian Steampunk Photography: 100+ Genuine Steampunk Camera Designs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B92829NS
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Pancolart
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Tried hard to find the link, photos still there: http://forum.mflenses.com/sigma-ys-28-200mm-wide-open-on-5dmkii-t48513.html _________________ ---------------------------------
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Steven Mols
Joined: 05 Jan 2021 Posts: 4 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Steven Mols wrote:
I just made some picture and it looks verry promising. Wide open it shows som vignetting, but at F5.6 (second photo is is crazy sharp).
Your sample photo's look very nice btw Pancolart
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The_WB
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11058 Location: California
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visualopsins wrote:
Welcome Steven Mols!
Looks like there was error when uploading photos...maybe edit & try again?
PS Lens weight is likely due to glass... _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
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M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
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stevemark
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stevemark wrote:
A few months ago I got a sample of the Sigma Multi Protel YS 1:2.8 f=200mm which looks - apart from some cosmetic differences -
the same as the Sigma XQ 2.8/200mm. It has a serial number of 73000431 which indicates that not too many were made. The lens
is pretty soft wide open, but it has much less CAs than most contemporary 2.8/200mm and 2.8/180mm lenses.
First preliminary trials indicate that its color correction is as good as e.g the famous Nikkor AiS 2.8/180mm ED.
The Sigma Multi Protel YS 1:2.8 f=200mm weighs a whopping 1.25 kg (!), and it has about the same length / diamater as the later AF Nikkor 2.8/180mm.
I you wonder where all that weight comes from ... well: there's a lot of glass inside! Here's the lens section of the Sigma XQ 2.8/200mm -
and I strongly suspect that the YS version has the same optical formula:
The reflections counted support this theory:
Front part: Five strong brownish reflexions (single coated), one weaker whitish reflexion (multi coated), one very weak reflexion (cemented surfaces)
Rear part: Four strong brownish reflexions (single coated)
Sadly the close focus mechanism of my lens - which otherwise looks pristine - doesn't work any more. Does onyone know how it should work? It seems to be same as with other close focusing lenses of the same Sigma YS / XQ Series!
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
Yes, that looks like a lot of glass!
Very likely the YS and XQ have the same optical formula.
Looking at the OP's images of the XQ; what I assume to be field-of-view markings, THAT is how focus scales should also be marked on all MF lenses: with a logarithmic(~ish) finer grid of markings. Now, I understand that might only be useful for more accurately setting focus if you also happen to be carrying a long tape measure (or laser distance measure), but very useful nevertheless if, on inspection of the image, you decide you need to pull focus back from, say 11m to 9.5m... (plus it looks much more scientific ) _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11058 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
YS refers to the mount
XQ refers to Sigma XQ (High Quality? ) line of lenses.
Unless YS lens has HQ designation the optics are likely different.
+1000000 those distance scale markings on every lens!!! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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stevemark
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visualopsins wrote: |
YS refers to the mount
XQ refers to Sigma XQ (High Quality? ) line of lenses.
Unless YS lens has HQ designation the optics are likely different. |
Maybe. Probably not. My "non-XQ" 2.8/200mm looks pretty much the same as the "XQ" 2.8/200mm shown above. Only differences are the additional markings on the focus ring of the XQ model (mentioned by RokkorDoctor), and a slightly broader "system focusing" ring on the non-XQ version. It seems there were only a few hundred of each version produced, and I really doubt whether Sigma did re-calculate the formula for such a low production lens ...
The Sigma "XG" series probably were a similar case as the Minolta "G" lineup: Initially all the Minolta AF glass came without "G" markings. Later on the high-quality Minolta AF lenses were labelled with an additional "G" suffix. The optical construction however was the same (e. g. "Minolta AF 1.4/35mm" vs "Minolta AF 1.4/35mm G", "Minolta AF 1.4/85mm" vs "Minolta AF 1.4/85mm G" or "Minolta AF 2.8/200mm APO" vs AF 2.8/200mm "Minolta APO G HS")
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visualopsins
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visualopsins wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
visualopsins wrote: |
YS refers to the mount
XQ refers to Sigma XQ (High Quality? ) line of lenses.
Unless YS lens has HQ designation the optics are likely different. |
Maybe. Probably not. My "non-XQ" 2.8/200mm looks pretty much the same as the "XQ" 2.8/200mm shown above. Only differences are the additional markings on the focus ring of the XQ model (mentioned by RokkorDoctor), and a slightly broader "system focusing" ring on the non-XQ version. It seems there were only a few hundred of each version produced, and I really doubt whether Sigma did re-calculate the formula for such a low production lens ...
The Sigma "XG" series probably were a similar case as the Minolta "G" lineup: Initially all the Minolta AF glass came without "G" markings. Later on the high-quality Minolta AF lenses were labelled with an additional "G" suffix. The optical construction however was the same (e. g. "Minolta AF 1.4/35mm" vs "Minolta AF 1.4/35mm G", "Minolta AF 1.4/85mm" vs "Minolta AF 1.4/85mm G" or "Minolta AF 2.8/200mm APO" vs AF 2.8/200mm "Minolta APO G HS")
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Whoa! Not so fast there partner! (Sorry, been watching Westerns ), the YS lenses were produced years before the HQ line...iirc the HQ lenses were all new computer designs. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4077 Location: Switzerland
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stevemark wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
Whoa! Not so fast there partner! (Sorry, been watching Westerns ), the YS lenses were produced years before the HQ line... |
Sigma YS Auto 2.8/200mm was produced 1973/74/75; Sigma XQ 2.8/200mm was produced only for a short period in 1976 and then replaced by the the XQ 3.5/200mm (produced 1976-1980).
Would be strange if the XQ 2.8/200mm was a new optical design - but I may be wrong of course.
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BTW mine is a "Sigma Multi Protel YS" 2.8/200mm lens ... neither a "YS Auto" nor an "XQ", but looking eerily similar to those.
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Our member "55" in another thread states that the "YS" 1.8/135 (1973-75) and the later "XQ" 1.8/135 (1976-78 ) have the same [4/6] optical construction, even though the literature says [4/4] for the XQ 1.8/135 (which seem quite impossible anyway). BTW "55" has dismantled both the YS and the XQ 1.8/135mm himself, and therefore should know ... _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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