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Shift solution with Mamiya 654: which lens do you recommend?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:43 pm    Post subject: Shift solution with Mamiya 654: which lens do you recommend? Reply with quote
Hi

I have an Hasselblad X2D. Hasselblad does not have proper tilt-shift lenses, that is why I was thinking of a solution like this:


    Mamiya 645 wide-angle lens
    Shift Adapter Mamiya 645 -> Hasselblad X mount


First of all: What do you think? Can it work?

Which Mamiya wide-angle lens would you recommend? I do not know the this system, but judging by pictures I have see on line, I like the Mamiya 55mm f2.8, but the 45mm also seems very good.

Thanks a lot in advance


PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
There is a Mamiya 645 50mm f4 Sekor Shift C if 50mm is wide enough for you.


PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
What do you want to do with the Hasselblad + Shift lens combination? Printing large prints? Books? Just play around ...?
Image circle of the shifted image? >90°? >76°?

Important questions, TBH.

S


PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
What do you want to do with the Hasselblad + Shift lens combination? Printing large prints? Books? Just play around ...?
Image circle of the shifted image? >90°? >76°?

Important questions, TBH.

S


I'd like to take pictures with straight lines, I hate to do this in post. Mainly for architectural photography. The Hasselblad X2d has 100Mp, I do not think printing large should be a problem, but it is not my priority now.

Thanks


PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Shift solution with Mamiya 654: which lens do you recomm Reply with quote
wolan wrote:

Which Mamiya wide-angle lens would you recommend? I do not know the this system, but judging by pictures I have see on line, I like the Mamiya 55mm f2.8, but the 45mm also seems very good.


I don't have a camera with 33x44mm sensor, but I have tested my Mamyia Sekor C lenses on
1) a 50 MF Fuji GFX
2) a A7RII (43 MP FF) using a Zörk shift adaper to simulate a 36 x 54mm sensor (ca 8000 x 12000 px = 100 MP images)

While there was nothing wrong with many Sekor C lenses such as the C 4/80mm Macro, the A 4/120mm Macro, the C 4.5/145 SoftFocus, the C 3.5/150, the C 4/210 and the C/CN 5.6/300, I didn't really like the two computations of the 2.8/45mm (including the N), let alone the C 3.5/35mm, especially on the simulated "100 MP camera". Sticking three images taken without shifting and with an ordinary "35mm" (="Kleinbild") lens would give better results ...

I've never used the Sekor C 50mm Shift lens, but it's said to be pretty good - so I assume that this lens would be better for shifting on a 33x44mm sensor (compared to the Sekor C 2.8/45).

I would suggest to use an adapter (eg Techart) and the modern Canon EF Shift lenses (17mm, 24, 45mm, ...).
They certainly are quite a bit better than the old Mamiya Sekor C wideangles ...

S


PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Pentax 645 35mm. lens was considered to be the best 35mm. in the film era medium format.
There are 2 variants of this lens, a mf 35mm f/3.5 and a newer af 35mm f/2.8. The older 35mm f/3.5 seams to be the better one.
I have one adapted as a shift lens for my ff Sony and it tested better in all regards than my Oly 35mm shift lens. That's why I sold the Oly. However, adapting it to Sony as a shift lens wasn't easy.
If you can adapt it as a shift lens I think it would be the best option you could have for a wide shift lens if the image circle of the 645 format will be enough for you.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:19 am    Post subject: Re: Shift solution with Mamiya 654: which lens do you recomm Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: Shift solution with Mamiya 654: which lens do you recomm Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
I didn't really like the two computations of the 2.8/45mm (including the N)





The "N" computation is not so bad, however in no way perfect of course

https://ibb.co/k6BQDj1

https://ibb.co/Fmc7V56

https://ibb.co/G3XfZhH

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: Shift solution with Mamiya 654: which lens do you recomm Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
let alone the C 3.5/35mm,


But what would be your opinion regarding Schneider Kreuznach 28mm f4.5 ASPH?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/325879200525?_skw=Mamiya+645+28mm&itmmeta=01J8PH65XDN8TH8NZS3J553NQM&hash=item4bdfe9fb0d:g:v48AAOSwRX1iljOu&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKnytutHDLpT%2BVDmtySyXMCj%2B46%2FJVo5RjlScxpXfO3YR5V6EHjnSUeiQ8xD6frbl3O0dNFlISnvmlwNNslc6uQo08Ot%2B32AwQOp8vHzvKVsFoz61TnmRNP5P%2FKGMCa1PQgig7ZaN5xYbBx8283sHVi6%2FGFnL0zbNBApINl3ofBDszVSy6AZheZ0FXxqy%2BpmO3yvzz%2F9PWMNzecSjrgZfBWPuuMai7tcPl3yQfH5ML%2Bowtc0JX2xA1FfRqnr0FFyDOOf9TrPMQsKJbI0vsYdyFCG%2BMQ0dzFcAGo4UvBbHiRZFA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-remNHFZA[/quote]


PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fotodiox do a Tilt Rocr adapter. I do not if one fits your XD, but you may find one which leads to a suitable adaptable lens.
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