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noddywithoutbigears
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| Kram wrote: |
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| Mark, why do you want a long macro lens? Subjects you can't get close to? Just because?. |
Danny Boy, I am an artist. We experiment. That's how we discover paths untread by science. 
I am not just looking for a long macro lens, I'm curious about the shortest mirror lens I can get for macro as I like the rendering in some of these pix (you have to scroll down to see the donut highlight images).
The very last one is a good example of why I am seeking to perhaps use a mirror lens for macro.
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| I ask because my three short little MicroNikkors (55/2.8, 105/2.8, 200/4, all AIS) have been all that I needed in most situations. |
I have two of the three (not the 200mm) and they are very good. I replaced my 55/2.8 with a 60/2.8 Zeiss Makro-Planar which I like better. |
Indeed why not, I totally agree, keep on pushing Kram 
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Laurentiu Cristofor
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gmonkman1
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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gmonkman1 wrote:
hmmm?....is there a possibility of using a close-up filter in front
of the mirror lense ? Nikon and Canon have some good
altho expensive ones . These filters just may add to the
" artistic endeaver " with the optical contributions.
Looking forward to see some more examples on this thread.
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Olivier
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
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hmmm?....is there a possibility of using a close-up filter in front
of the mirror lense ? Nikon and Canon have some good
altho expensive ones . These filters just may add to the
" artistic endeaver " with the optical contributions.
Looking forward to see some more examples on this thread.
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I think it's possible but the front of the SP 500 F8 is 82mm. I have the Canon's close-up lens 500D in 77mm wich is already quite huge.
I've added samples using tubes here : http://forum.mflenses.com/tamron-sp-500-f8-and-tubes-and-doubler-comparison-t50363.html
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hoanpham
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
My contribution
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1238061.html#1238061 |
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dickb
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dickb wrote:
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| A little tasteful doughnut shaped bokeh is my main reason. |
Another lens that may suit your style (but maybe not your camera) is an Ernitec 75mm f/1.3 c-mount lens, or another of its variants. Mine at least had an internal filter that allowed the aperture to close completely. When stopped down, it produced doughnut shaped bokeh. Whether it is tasteful or not is in the eye of the beholder.
At f/1.3
At f/2.8
At f/5.6
You could also try using your favourite lens and adding a bokeh shaping circle insert. |
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fuzzywuzzy
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
It's raining today and the water drops on the needles made me think of bright highlights and donuts in plant shots.
Here's my 3M-5A 500/8 russian mirror lens. All tripod mounted, in the doorway of my deck to keep my gear dry.
Please forgive lack of sharpness, the breeze shaking the branches and I too far away to hold them still. Consider these as rough sketches or equipment tests 
1) About 3m away. MFD of the lens is about 2m.
2) About 7m away, this branch was quite shaky  I was trying to focus on the spray of needles at center with water drops on them.
3) as #2, front focused by approx. 50cm
4) as #2, back focused by approx. 50cm
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Kram
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Kram wrote:
Dick, I like it! It's my understanding that C mount lenses will not work on Canon DSLR's (60D). Is that right?
fuzzy, I like the last one. Focus is of no imortance in the abstract realm!
In another thread, on this shockingly popular subject, someone suggested glueing a coin in the middle of a filter! Brilliant methinks! I plan on trying that next week.
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dickb
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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dickb wrote:
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| Dick, I like it! It's my understanding that C mount lenses will not work on Canon DSLR's (60D). Is that right? |
Anything that projects an image works on any camera to some extent, but indeed, for normal photography c mount and Canon Dslrs don't work. There is a c mount toEF or m42 mount adapter, but that will act as an extension tube, since the c mount register is much shorter than Canon EF. Than again, if you're after macro that limitation may be an advantage. |
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f6cvalkyrie
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f6cvalkyrie wrote:
I just gave it a try with my Reflex-Nikkor 500/8 and the shortest extension ring I have (5mm)
I dialed 500mm as focal length in the OM-D for stabilisation (IBIS) and upped the ISO to 3200 for short exposures
This came out
I'm not unhappy with this result, and may use it more, even with longer extension rings ...
C U
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hoanpham
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:20 am Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
I like #1 alot.
Also I found the tamron500/8 has razor thin DOF, relatively difficult to set correct focus. How about your nikkor 500/8? |
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f6cvalkyrie
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f6cvalkyrie wrote:
I shot that photo from a distance of ca 4m and the sharp portion of the photo is only 2-3cm wide.
Not exactly large DOF  )
But, it's doable to focus, and even use the focusing aid (magnification x10) thanks to the fabulous IBIS of the OM-D
C U,
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Kram
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
Here's where I'm at now on this idea: I'm going to take the advice of someone who suggested a filter with a coing or black disc glued to the center.
It's the donuts I'm after! |
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Olivier
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Hi Mark.
Some donuts landscape with Tamron SP 500 F8, made on purpose !
It has some kind of impressionists' painting... like "pointillisme"
It could be a good basis for pp art
and a without donut for pleasure :
Cheers,
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Phenix jc
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Phenix jc wrote:
Handheld, a long time ago
...with a E-510 (!)
#1
(edit : Tamron 500/8 )
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f6cvalkyrie
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:13 am Post subject: |
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f6cvalkyrie wrote:
Still the Reflex-Nikkor but with 65mm of extension rings on OM-D
Handheld @ 3200iso
C U,
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pavko
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:29 am Post subject: |
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pavko wrote:
Awesome. It looks like painting. |
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Kram
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
Olivier, I like your "pointillisme"! |
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Olivier
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
| Kram wrote: |
| Olivier, I like your "pointillisme"! |
I felt you would, Mark !
This is obtained by beeing slightly out of focus, so that the donuts size can be more or less small.
and I think these images can be post processed to be more artistic.
Snapseed treatment
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Phenix jc
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Phenix jc wrote:
| f6cvalkyrie wrote: |
Still the Reflex-Nikkor but with 65mm of extension rings on OM-D
Handheld @ 3200iso
C U,
Rafael |
Do you feel that the stabilization is better with the OM-D ?
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f6cvalkyrie
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f6cvalkyrie wrote:
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Do you feel that the stabilization is better with the OM-D ? |
The OM-D is the only camera I own that can shoot stabilized with manual focus lenses.
It certainly does a great job of that !
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tammyb
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:18 am Post subject: |
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tammyb wrote:
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Thanks Mark. Not really a bad idea. Are you looking for:
- long working distance
- high magnification
- doughnut shaped bokeh
- rel. lightweight
or why do you require a mirror lens?
Another one...
DOF is razor thin
but the doughnuts are cute
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I love this photos of yours Klaus, and i wondering what kind of lens you have used?
Do you know were i can get a mirror lens for my Canon 5D mark II? I live in Sweden and there is no place here were i can buy a mirror lens, really bad, guess they don't like them?!
I really would love to shot macros with a mirror lens, but i have no idea wich one to use, any one here with an idea? |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Hello Tammy.
This is the Tamron SP 500mm F8. I have the 55B model and it renders very well on the 5D MkII.
Here are some on ebay :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=tamron+sp+500+f8&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_okw=&_oexkw=&_adv=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=&LH_SubLocation=1&_fsradio2=%26LH_PrefLoc%3D1&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&_salic=3&_saact=3&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50
The 55B. This one is the same package I got.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tamron-SP-500mm-f8-telephoto-mirror-lens-55B-Adaptall-2-case-lens-hood-/180823645984?pt=UK_Lenses_Filters_Lenses&hash=item2a19eddf20
55B is the oldest and has the advantage to have a detachable tripod mount and a built-in hood.
Optical design differences between 55B and 55BB are small.
55B : http://www.adaptall-2.org/lenses/55B.html
55BB : http://www.adaptall-2.org/lenses/55BB.html
I prefer 55B for its hood and its tripod mount (I believe the 55BB has no way to mount it on a tripod).
Next : how to mount it on the 5D MkII ?
Tis lens is a Tamron adaptall-2 lens. This is a special mount system which allows to mount them on any brand with the correct ad2 adapter. The more simple is to get a brand new one adapter with AF confirm chip. I have Big-IS ones which are very good :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AF-confirm-Tamron-Adaptall-2-Lens-Canon-adapter-/120587648568?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c13957e38
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tammyb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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tammyb wrote:
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Thanks a lot for all your tips!! So, this are the one to get those beautiful backgrounds?
You know, i have photographed a lot of macro, i have a website and a blog, if your interested, but in my case now - i'm looking for more artistic lenses. I try to do it with both my canon lens and sometimes my tamronlens, but i really have fall in love with those backgrounds.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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tammyb wrote:
| Kram wrote: |
| danfromm wrote: |
| Mark, why do you want a long macro lens? Subjects you can't get close to? Just because?. |
Danny Boy, I am an artist. We experiment. That's how we discover paths untread by science.
I am not just looking for a long macro lens, I'm curious about the shortest mirror lens I can get for macro as I like the rendering in some of these pix (you have to scroll down to see the donut highlight images).
The very last one is a good example of why I am seeking to perhaps use a mirror lens for macro.
| danfromm wrote: |
| I ask because my three short little MicroNikkors (55/2.8, 105/2.8, 200/4, all AIS) have been all that I needed in most situations. |
I have two of the three (not the 200mm) and they are very good. I replaced my 55/2.8 with a 60/2.8 Zeiss Makro-Planar which I like better. |
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Hi Kram!
I'm new on this forum and don't really know how it works here
But when i read what you are writing, i just feel the same way as you do - i'm also looing for the artistic feeling, and i have tried to create with both my canonlens and my tamron lens before, but haven't really got that feeling i'm looking for. But i will go on, trying.
I read what you wrote about the coin, do you know what i tried once? I tried a bit of plastic thing in front of my lense on my canonlense, a 100 -2,8, and the result was this Unfortunatley the plastic thing wasn't a perfect circle, and know i'm looing for a lens that can give me what i'm looking for. A really love those image here from Klaus, the background was lovely, i love the dof.
Best regards
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