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Abbazz
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Abbazz wrote:
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Of course, all the words that you want, Jibbonpoint.
And you show us that your soligor is a very good lens, endeed.
But LEICA is, well, is LEICA. I think that perhaps is better than soligor.
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The Leica will not be much better than jibbonpoint's Soligor, both being achromatic doublets -- that is a lens that comprises only two elements grouped together. All the old Leica Telyt super-telephoto lenses, like the Novoflex Noflexar lenses, were achromatic doublets. Because doublets are not good at fast apertures, these lenses had quite limited maximum apertures. They were quite sharp, but only in the center of the field, the corners being soft. This is not a big drawback, because when using a telephoto the main subject is usually located in the center of the frame and the corners are out of focus. Furthermore, when used on a crop format camera, only the center of the 24x36 frame is imaged, and the soft corners get cropped.
From an usage point of view though, I would recommend the Novoflex follow focus lenses. Optically, they are just as good as the Leica Telyt lenses, but the Pigriff quick focus contraption is easier to operate and more reliable in my experience.
Cheers!
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
The Soligor may not be a simple doublet.
I have several of these cheap 400mm's of different makes, like Spiratone.
They are usually 4-element lenses, with two elements in front and two way in the back.
I have a simple doublet, a Piesker 400/5.5
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jibbonpoint
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jibbonpoint wrote:
Pictures of Soligor 400 - 6.3
If there's further interest, let me know how I can check if doublet/triplet.
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Abbazz
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Abbazz wrote:
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The Soligor may not be a simple doublet.
I have several of these cheap 400mm's of different makes, like Spiratone.
They are usually 4-element lenses, with two elements in front and two way in the back.
I have a simple doublet, a Piesker 400/5.5 |
Thanks for putting it straight, Luis. I have this lens in its Spiratone incarnation. It's not bad for a 400mm and quite light as well. The very long minimum focus distance is the real bummer.
Cheers!
Abbazz
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Jibbonpoint,
Hot over there ain't it ?
Thats a Tokina - Tokyo Koki made lens, also sold by nearly everyone back in the 1960's. You will find them under dozens of brands, including big camera makers like Petri, Mamiya and Yashica as well as no-name store brands. This line was ubiquitous.
I don't have one (yet), but I have its little brothers, 300mm and smaller. I didn't know these were also sold under the Soligor brand, but I'm not too surprised.
The smaller ones are quite good, so its nice to know this one isn't a dud, for when I get one. I think its a 4-element job also.
Hi Abazz,
That minimum focus is my only problem with the 300mm of this line. I guess the 400mm also has something like 30ft/10m minimum.
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jibbonpoint
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jibbonpoint wrote:
Your not wriong about the heat,luisalegria. I've never known so many days to exceed 40deg in a row. We're about to cop it again later in the week but today a balmy 27deg presently.
Anyway, the Lens depicted weighs in at just under 900gms & thanks for the information.
See ya
Graeme
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dickb
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dickb wrote:
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All the old Leica Telyt super-telephoto lenses, like the Novoflex Noflexar lenses, were achromatic doublets.
Abbazz |
FYI, the Noflexar-T 400/5.6 is a triplet.
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Because doublets are not good at fast apertures, these lenses had quite limited maximum apertures.
Abbazz |
The older version of the Leitz Telyt, used with the Televit focus system, is a 560mm f/5.6. Fairly fast for a 560mm I'd say. It doesn't have quite the optical reputation of the 560/6.8 though.
| Abbazz wrote: |
They were quite sharp, but only in the center of the field, the corners being soft. This is not a big drawback, because when using a telephoto the main subject is usually located in the center of the frame and the corners are out of focus. Furthermore, when used on a crop format camera, only the center of the 24x36 frame is imaged, and the soft corners get cropped.
Abbazz |
These lenses have a large image circle, some people even use them on 6*6 medium format systems. So even 24*36 gets rid of most of the softer corners.
| Abbazz wrote: |
From an usage point of view though, I would recommend the Novoflex follow focus lenses. Optically, they are just as good as the Leica Telyt lenses, but the Pigriff quick focus contraption is easier to operate and more reliable in my experience.
Cheers!
Abbazz |
I've never used the Leitz Telyt with a fixed R mount version, but I've got the Novoflex follow focus system and I've tested the Leitz Televit system. Both require some getting used to, but the Novoflex is far more user friendly in my view. And I've got both Leitz Telyt and Noflexar-T heads to go with this system, so I'm quite happy. I actually bought another set (Leitz 560/6.8 + Novoflex PiGriff) to get some more included accesories (PiStock, EF mount). Even for me, two 560/6.8s is a bit excessive, so I'll probably sell one again.
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timo832000
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timo832000 wrote:
Thanks for your advice. I personaly expect the Leica lenses to be better than the Soligor.
I will try to get a Leica Telyt-R 6.8/400 but i dislike the follow focus system so i have to find a telyt with usual manual focus.
Does anyone of you have a Telyt-R 6.8/400 for sale?
Greetings from Germany
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Attila wrote:
I have a Novoflex 40cm f5.6 that is doublet lens, produce excellent results.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/novoflex/novoflex_40cm_f5_6/
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
| timo832000 wrote: |
Thanks for your advice. I personaly expect the Leica lenses to be better than the Soligor.
I will try to get a Leica Telyt-R 6.8/400 but i dislike the follow focus system so i have to find a telyt with usual manual focus.
Does anyone of you have a Telyt-R 6.8/400 for sale?
Greetings from Germany
Timo |
Hi Timo!!
In my humble opinion, your election is of the best ones.
Good luck
Rino.
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jibbonpoint
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jibbonpoint wrote:
I didn't offer the Soligor as a superior lens to the Leica, I mentioned it because Timo was saying that's the Leica was expensive (his point no2 in the original post & a subsequent post.)
I missed a Telyt 400 a few years ago; it was $400 & I couldn't fix it to the K10D at that time so I let it go.
Now, having seen the Soligor in all it's glory  I might mention that there is one identical to mine on the Australian e-bay for $A15. A few days to go so it will probably go for more than that.
What is the difference in quality & how often do you use this focal length? I've actually bought a Tamron 500 mirror to take pictures of people that I'm really scared of and I can't remember when I used it or the Soligor last. 
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
WOW! I never seen of this lens in this condition!!
Congrats!
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Beautiful too! time to see a well used copy for usage, these are too good to use them
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Attila wrote:
I am glad we have same thinking ...
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Abbazz
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Abbazz wrote:
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| FYI, the Noflexar-T 400/5.6 is a triplet. |
In fact, the name for the triplet lens is T-Noflexar. But I was referring to the plain Noflexar (see my post).
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| The older version of the Leitz Telyt, used with the Televit focus system, is a 560mm f/5.6. Fairly fast for a 560mm I'd say. It doesn't have quite the optical reputation of the 560/6.8 though. |
That's my point: a doublet is not very sharp when used at wide apertures. That's why you won't find a good 300/2.8 or 400/4 doublet lens.
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| These lenses have a large image circle, some people even use them on 6*6 medium format systems. So even 24*36 gets rid of most of the softer corners. |
Novoflex offered a specific range of lenses specially designed for 6x6 (240/5.6 and 500/5.6). The common Noflexar lens heads were not meant to provide optimal coverage for medium format. In fact, on my 400/5.6, the borders are notably soft when used on full 24x36 frame cameras.
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| I've never used the Leitz Telyt with a fixed R mount version, but I've got the Novoflex follow focus system and I've tested the Leitz Televit system. Both require some getting used to, but the Novoflex is far more user friendly in my view. And I've got both Leitz Telyt and Noflexar-T heads to go with this system, so I'm quite happy. I actually bought another set (Leitz 560/6.8 + Novoflex PiGriff) to get some more included accesories (PiStock, EF mount). Even for me, two 560/6.8s is a bit excessive, so I'll probably sell one again. |
I agree about the Novoflex follow focus being more user friendly. If you want to sell either lens, drop me a PM.
Cheers!
Abbazz
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dickb
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dickb wrote:
| Abbazz wrote: |
| dickb wrote: |
| FYI, the Noflexar-T 400/5.6 is a triplet. |
In fact, the name for the triplet lens is T-Noflexar. But I was referring to the plain Noflexar (see my post).
Abbazz |
You're right, I was too hasty typing. I do own a plain Noflexar that certainly isn't a doublet, the 35mm f/3.5, but that is quite a different animal.
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| The older version of the Leitz Telyt, used with the Televit focus system, is a 560mm f/5.6. Fairly fast for a 560mm I'd say. It doesn't have quite the optical reputation of the 560/6.8 though. |
| Abbazz wrote: |
That's my point: a doublet is not very sharp when used at wide apertures. That's why you won't find a good 300/2.8 or 400/4 doublet lens.
Abbazz |
I understood your point to be that such fast lenses weren't made, not that they weren't very good.
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Novoflex offered a specific range of lenses specially designed for 6x6 (240/5.6 and 500/5.6). The common Noflexar lens heads were not meant to provide optimal coverage for medium format. In fact, on my 400/5.6, the borders are notably soft when used on full 24x36 frame cameras.
Abbazz |
Interesting to hear about the difference in image circle. Novoflex offers (used to offer?) modified follow focus mounts (PIstolenGRIFF) for several medium format systems: Hasselblad 2000 FC (HAPIGRIFF-C), Rolleiflex SL66 (ROLPIGRIFF-C), Mamiya 645 (MAMPIGRIFF 645-C) and Pentax 645 (TAXPIGRIFF 645-C). At this time the only lens heads on offer were the 400mm and 600mm lenses and the Leitz Telyt 560mm. So at least one of these heads was deemed good enough for 6x6 coverage.
| Abbazz wrote: |
I agree about the Novoflex follow focus being more user friendly. If you want to sell either lens, drop me a PM.
Cheers!
Abbazz |
I'm not quite sure yet when or how I'll sell some of it but when I do, I'll let you know.
Cheers,
Dick |
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Abbazz
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Abbazz wrote:
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| Interesting to hear about the difference in image circle. Novoflex offers (used to offer?) modified follow focus mounts (PIstolenGRIFF) for several medium format systems: Hasselblad 2000 FC (HAPIGRIFF-C), Rolleiflex SL66 (ROLPIGRIFF-C), Mamiya 645 (MAMPIGRIFF 645-C) and Pentax 645 (TAXPIGRIFF 645-C). At this time the only lens heads on offer were the 400mm and 600mm lenses and the Leitz Telyt 560mm. So at least one of these heads was deemed good enough for 6x6 coverage. |
Dick,
Here's a link the full manual for 1972 Novoflex Follow Focus lenses kindly provided by Yohei Suzukawa's on his website:
http://yandr.50megs.com/novo/novo1/novo1.htm
As you can see on the page 15 of this manual, there are two distinct lines of lens heads: the 280/5.6, 400/5.6 and 640/9 for 24x36 cameras, as well as the 240/5.6 and 500/5.6 for 6x6 cameras. The follow focus grip and rear mounts were also different between those two lines. Here's the relevant page of the manual (linked from Yohei Suzukawa's website):
Cheers!
Abbazz
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ChrisLilley
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ChrisLilley wrote:
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But LEICA is, well, is LEICA.
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Less fanboy please  , and more actual samples or meaningful discussion.
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ChrisLilley
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ChrisLilley wrote:
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The AI lens is not at all bad cosmetically (brilliant optically) but a bit of a clunker - a bit rattly with very free focussing and it was cheap, so it's not a tragedy!
Except that I just noticed it's not actually an 'AI' lens...!! |
Right, neither of these are AI lenses.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
| ChrisLilley wrote: |
| estudleon wrote: |
But LEICA is, well, is LEICA.
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Hi.
Let me say LEICA IS LEICA. It's that I want to say and I say that. If you can't find the sense to my words I'm sorry, it's your problem and not mine.
Who are you to describe my words as nonsignificant discussion?
With your attitude I can describe your words as stupid but my education don't let me to do this.
No dictatorial attitudes, please.
Rino.
Rino.
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Misc. : jupiter 9
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A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Rusty
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Location: Mosselbay, South Africa
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Rusty wrote:
Hi Timo
Ihave a more recent soligor 400 mm but i think the optical construction would be the same and who made it (Luis will know ? )
I find it very sharp and absolute value for money (they normally come cheap)
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Posts: 6602
Location: San Francisco, USA
Expire: 2018-01-18
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Rusty,
Yes, I've seen that one. I don't have it though. I don't know who made it.
It is very similar in some stylistic ways to the Soligor/Vivitar 400/6.3 Automatic T4 lens, which I have, and which I find quite disappointing. That one is a Tokina.
I have the 450/8 preset in this style (like yours), and that one is absolutely a bad lens.
You roll the dice with these things.
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ChrisLilley
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Posts: 1767
Location: Nice, France
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ChrisLilley wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
| ChrisLilley wrote: |
| estudleon wrote: |
But LEICA is, well, is LEICA.
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Less fanboy please , and more actual samples or meaningful discussion. |
Let me say LEICA IS LEICA. It's that I want to say and I say that. |
Sure, feel free to repeat a brand name all you like, if such tautological utterances makes you happy.
But when you say, for example
| estudleon wrote: |
IT'S LEICA, please, no more words. |
Then you seem to place one brand as being 100% positive, no possible flaws, and more importantly to stifle all discussion to the contrary. I can't accept that.
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Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don’t. Key: Ai-P, Ai, Ai'ed, AiS
Camera: Nikon D90, D40, DK-21M eyepiece, ML-3 remote MF lenses: Nikkor 20mm f/4 K, AI'ed | N.K. Nikkor-N 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor-N.C 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 AiS late model | Арсенал (Arsenal) Мир-24Н (Mir-24N) 35mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer Ultron SL II 40mm f/2.0 | Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 AiS | Zoom-Nikkor 80-200 f/4.5 Ai | ЛЗОС (LZOS) Юпитер-9 (Jupiter-9) 85mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 90mm f/3.5 SL | Nikkor-P 105mm f/2.5 pre-Ai, Ai'ed | Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 | Schneider Kreuznach Componon 105mm f/5.6 | Nikkor 135mm f/2.8, Ai'ed 1976 model | Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 ED AiS | Арсенал (Arsenal) ТЕЛЕАР-Н (Telear-n) 200mm f/3.5 | Nikkor 300 mm f/4.5 Ai (full equipment list) |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3754
Location: Argentina
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estudleon wrote:
| ChrisLilley wrote: |
| estudleon wrote: |
| ChrisLilley wrote: |
| estudleon wrote: |
But LEICA is, well, is LEICA.
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Less fanboy please , and more actual samples or meaningful discussion. |
Let me say LEICA IS LEICA. It's that I want to say and I say that. |
Sure, feel free to repeat a brand name all you like, if such tautological utterances makes you happy. |
Thanks, I'm very happy. I can say LEICA is LEICA now.
Ah..thanks again, I can feel free.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3754
Location: Argentina
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estudleon wrote:
| ChrisLilley wrote: |
But when you say, for example
| estudleon wrote: |
IT'S LEICA, please, no more words. |
Then you seem to place one brand as being 100% positive, no possible flaws, and more importantly to stifle all discussion to the contrary. I can't accept that. |
You put in my mouth words that I didn't say.
YOU understand that "It's Leica, pleaso no more words", is equal to "Then you seem to place one brand as being 100% positive, no possible flaws".
Your interpretation is your problem, not mine.
I believe that before interpreting what I did not say, you must have consulted on the reach of my affirmation.
I believe that such hurry done by earth any possibility of one adapted discussion
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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