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Arutemu
Joined: 16 Oct 2014 Posts: 72 Location: US/Japan
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:10 pm Post subject: Schneider-Kreuznach Xenon 50mm f/1.9 in DKL mount |
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Arutemu wrote:
Got this lens with a nearly destroyed Kodak Retina camera attached at an antique store for $15. The camera went straight into the garbage bin, the lens got attached to my DKL to LM adapter and mounted to the Techart LM-FE autofocus adapter on the A7R II. I was very pleasantly surprised with the sharpness and rendering. This was wide open @ f/1.9.
Timothy by Artem, on Flickr _________________ 住めば都
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mr_tibbs2004
Joined: 23 Jul 2021 Posts: 138 Location: United States
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1659
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:06 am Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
Did you use pp? Contrast? Sharpness?
Thanks for sharing |
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Arutemu
Joined: 16 Oct 2014 Posts: 72 Location: US/Japan
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Arutemu wrote:
papasito wrote: |
Did you use pp? Contrast? Sharpness?
Thanks for sharing |
Yes, since I shoot in RAW, the image was processed. Contrast I don't touch, but colors and sharpness I fix to my liking. _________________ 住めば都 |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3132 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Your image looks very nice. How would you rate this lens compared to other lenses? I have one here that looks shabby and had a stuck aperture. Would like to know if its worth having it repaired. |
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1659
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
Your image looks very nice. How would you rate this lens compared to other lenses? I have one here that looks shabby and had a stuck aperture. Would like to know if its worth having it repaired. |
I have it in QBM mount and yes, to me, it's worth to repair the lens.
Xenons, Ultrons, Septons, all great lenses. |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3132 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
papasito wrote: |
caspert79 wrote: |
Your image looks very nice. How would you rate this lens compared to other lenses? I have one here that looks shabby and had a stuck aperture. Would like to know if its worth having it repaired. |
I have it in QBM mount and yes, to me, it's worth to repair the lens.
Xenons, Ultrons, Septons, all great lenses. |
Mine is M42, but I guess that’s the same lens. |
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Arutemu
Joined: 16 Oct 2014 Posts: 72 Location: US/Japan
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Arutemu wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
Your image looks very nice. How would you rate this lens compared to other lenses? I have one here that looks shabby and had a stuck aperture. Would like to know if its worth having it repaired. |
A professional lens repairman once said that he would have to charge me at least $100 for any repair for it to be worth his time and effort. I found it perfectly reasonable, but it also gave me a useful cost/effectiveness rule and estimate.
Schneider-Kreuznach 50/1.9 cost me $15 and was in near-pristine condition. If it were not, repairing a $15 lens for $100 or thereabouts would make no sense to me. I would rather spend that money buying that same lens in better condition.
That is my rule - unless I come across something exceedingly rare that is worth investing in repairing. _________________ 住めば都 |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3132 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Arutemu wrote: |
caspert79 wrote: |
Your image looks very nice. How would you rate this lens compared to other lenses? I have one here that looks shabby and had a stuck aperture. Would like to know if its worth having it repaired. |
A professional lens repairman once said that he would have to charge me at least $100 for any repair for it to be worth his time and effort. I found it perfectly reasonable, but it also gave me a useful cost/effectiveness rule and estimate.
Schneider-Kreuznach 50/1.9 cost me $15 and was in near-pristine condition. If it were not, repairing a $15 lens for $100 or thereabouts would make no sense to me. I would rather spend that money buying that same lens in better condition.
That is my rule - unless I come across something exceedingly rare that is worth investing in repairing. |
Excactly, I bought this lens years ago in rough condition but I didn’t pay much for it. |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2964 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
You can often get Xenon 1.9 in DKL mount for not much money. Watch for kodak instamatic reflex. These used the defunct 126 film cartridges and frequently come on the bay for pretty low. I got one for 40 or so. The DKL mount is great as it is very robust mount and you can purchase adapters for several mounts. I stack the DKL to EF and EF to nex helicoid adapter which solves one of the few problems with the lens, it's long minimum focus. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
I have this lens and like it very much. I find it very sharp with very characterful bokeh. The minimum focus distance is not very short, so I use with a helicoid.
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2964 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
Lovely butterfly images! _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3132 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:46 am Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Wow, great images! |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:30 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
The Xenon is an optimized Biotar, 6 lenses in 4 groups. A.W. Tronnier who "invented" the Xenon for Schneider later on optimized it further by splitting the front doublet. This was then the Ultron (6 lenses in 5 groups) as introduced by Voigtländer in the early 1950's.
Generally speaking, almost every lens designed by Tronnier was extraordinary and always amongst the best of it's time. The Ultron design survived until date, the contemporary Sony FE 50/1.8 is still an original Ultron.
Just my 2 cents..... _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 5999 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
The Xenon is an optimized Biotar, 6 lenses in 4 groups. A.W. Tronnier who "invented" the Xenon for Schneider later on optimized it further by splitting the front doublet. This was then the Ultron (6 lenses in 5 groups) as introduced by Voigtländer in the early 1950's.
Generally speaking, almost every lens designed by Tronnier was extraordinary and always amongst the best of it's time. The Ultron design survived until date, the contemporary Sony FE 50/1.8 is still an original Ultron.
Just my 2 cents..... |
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serkol
Joined: 26 Aug 2012 Posts: 924 Location: Belarus
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:05 am Post subject: |
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serkol wrote:
My Xenon 50/1.9 DKL + Sigma fp
_FP01734_2048px by serkol64, on Flickr
_FP01762___2048px by serkol64, on Flickr
_FP01759 by serkol64, on Flickr _________________ Regards,
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serkol
Joined: 26 Aug 2012 Posts: 924 Location: Belarus
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:06 am Post subject: |
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serkol wrote:
double _________________ Regards,
Sergey |
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alex ph
Joined: 16 Mar 2013 Posts: 1662
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
Arutemu, very well done! Both my Rollei 1.8/50 and Exakta 1.9/50 versions do render milkier wide open.
Serguei, what colours with Sigma Fp, a pretty filmic senstion. |
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alex ph
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
Arutemu, very well done! Both my Rollei 1.8/50 and Exakta 1.9/50 versions do render milkier wide open.
Serguei, what colours with Sigma Fp, a pretty filmic senstion. |
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Arutemu
Joined: 16 Oct 2014 Posts: 72 Location: US/Japan
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Schneider-Kreuznach Xenon 50mm f/1.9 in DKL mount |
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Arutemu wrote:
Arutemu wrote: |
Got this lens with a nearly destroyed Kodak Retina camera attached at an antique store for $15. The camera went straight into the garbage bin, the lens got attached to my DKL to LM adapter and mounted to the Techart LM-FE autofocus adapter on the A7R II. I was very pleasantly surprised with the sharpness and rendering. This was wide open @ f/1.9.
Timothy by Artem, on Flickr |
I'll indulge in some threadomancy... Some more with this lens:
AREX to Incheon by Artem, on Flickr
Night bus by Artem, on Flickr
Rush delivery by Artem, on Flickr
Birding by Artem, on Flickr
Camelatte by Artem, on Flickr _________________ 住めば都 |
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kiddo
Joined: 29 Jun 2018 Posts: 1221
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:12 am Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
Wow very nice results, it seems to be sharoert than Septon, isn't it? Maybe different formula? |
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BrianSVP
Joined: 09 Jun 2023 Posts: 335 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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BrianSVP wrote:
This is a lens I always end up coming back to. Just such pleasing rendering, sharpness, and color.
Here's just a quick snap I took of my young nephew the other day. This lens really loves those rich early evening tones!
I adore the Septon, too, but it has a very different look, and it's much more expensive and hard to find a copy without cement separation. This lens can easily be found fr 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the Septon. Look for the version without "Retina" in the name that was sold with the Instamatic Reflex, as it has a much shorter MFD at 2 ft/0.6m but is optically identical. The front barrel is also much less susceptible to dinging than that on the "Retina" version, which is very soft aluminum. |
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kiddo
Joined: 29 Jun 2018 Posts: 1221
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
Very nice result and so different than Septon, it's weird how these lenses from same time are so different , unfortunately all these fast dkl mount lenses are very sought after, don't remember seeing one for sale for cheap |
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