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Russar 5.6/20 M39 RF lens?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Russar 5.6/20 M39 RF lens? Reply with quote
Anybody know what that is?
I assume a Biogon copy.
Maybe one our Russian historians cane shed some light.
It seems very expensive but maybe it is rare Rolling Eyes Question

Click here to see on Ebay


PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is TOPOGON style/copy lens IMHO, guessed from the shape of the lens.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Russar 5.6/20 M39 RF lens? Reply with quote
F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Anybody know what that is?
I assume a Biogon copy.
Maybe one our Russian historians cane shed some light.
It seems very expensive but maybe it is rare Rolling Eyes Question

Click here to see on Ebay


Here Andy, sth to learn about that lens type:

http://www.luciolepri.it/lc2/marcocavina/articoli_fotografici/Hypergon_Topogon_Biogon_Hologon/00_pag.htm

Marco got my three russian lenses I had for the RD-1 (pictured in the following article), the Russar was one of them.

And here the test he made - impressive what the russian lens designer (esp. at GOI) had achieved so many years ago...

http://www.luciolepri.it/lc2/marcocavina/articoli_fotografici/Soviet_and_wide_lenses_on_Leica_M/00_p.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It is a six element in four group design. Photo samples are probably going to be few and far between so a real consensus on IQ/characteristic will be difficult to get. From the specs though it looks as if it boasts slightly better resolving power than even the Jupiter 8 or 3. The filter size is 40.5mm. Seems to be the widest RF lens the Soviets ever produced. It is rare - I'm not sure about $365.00 rare but it assuredly is quite uncommon. Sorry for not having more info!

~Marc


PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank guys for the quick response.
And Thanks Klaus for this super link.
Marco does such a super job. Very nice.
The photos in this listing are pretty weak.
Marcos page confirms Koji this is a Topogon design.

I don't think I'm a customer but it is an interesting find.
I wonder the actual value of such a thing a piece Question


PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Russars have gotten quite rare. Be careful about the age
(remember the two first digits of teh serial number denote
the production year!!). The black ones are supposed to be
the better ones (I have bee told). THese were never cheap,
if I remember correctly, I payed about $220 for mine years ago.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
IQ is generally said better than the original one, and this lens
has F5.6 minimum. However someone took out aperture stopper
inside, the lens can go, if I remember correctly, ~f3.5. But IQ
was not too good at this aperture. It is rather rare.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have the both (black (1993) and silver (1964)Version) and used with Leica M6.
IMO, the silver version was the better one especially at the corner (wide open). It is a great lens !
I purchased the silver version in the year 1985.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Convert
Can you help with a value estimate?
Any ideas?


PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't know exactly , how much is the price to day.
I got the black version in 1990 for 150 DM including viewfinder. at this time there were so much cheap russian lenses from polish people and sell it in Germany, but anyone buy it !.
If you find it for 200 EUR (not in Ebay) including viewfinder , I think it's okay.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:52 am    Post subject: Re: Russar 5.6/20 M39 RF lens? Reply with quote
F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Anybody know what that is?
I assume a Biogon copy.
Maybe one our Russian historians cane shed some light.


I assume that is uncommon for you Wink, but Biogon was a copy of Russar. Optical scheme of Russars (transliteration of russian Руссар) was made of russian optician - Mikhail Rusinov (Михаил Русинов) in 1935 for wide-angle aerophoto lenses (later - for spacephoto, for example, for soviet space exploration project 'Mars'). Original scheme of Russars was patented (in USA pat. No 2.516.724 since 1946). Besides the family of aeriphotolenses Russar became the basis for non-military Very Happy wide-angle lens Руссар МР-2 (it your's, poduced since 1958) «Киноруссар» (for filming) и «Гидроруссар» (for underwater filming), non-Macsutov mirror-lenses «Рефлексруссар», binoculars «Биноруссар», registering devices for nuclear phisics, etc. Mikhail Rusinov was talented reseacher, founder of soviet optical scientific scholarship, owner more than 320 of sertificate of authorship and 22 patents. Died in 2004...

Ideas of Russars have been adopted abroad. It, factically, were a basis of Zeiss Biogon-2, Schneider Super Angulon, Rodenstock Grandagon etc. What interesting, Russar MR-2 has twice less distortion and 6% higher brightness on edges than Carl Zeiss Biogon Т* 21 мм f/2,8.

P.s. sorry for my english (Embarassed)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Links (only in russian) and pictures (not in russian ): Wink

http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/lenses/russar-mr-2.html

http://www.photohistory.ru/1207248187527085.html

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
A little bit of a transgression here, but the Jupiter-12 35/2.8 effectively shows better resolution than the Summicron-M 35/2! Shocked

Of course, this was only ONE comparison, and could certainly be a fluke. But if I was to bet, I would think that the Jupiter would certainly hold its own with the Summicron.

Interesting indeed.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
welcome Russian
interesting info
have a nice stay with us


PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
What a great topic! Excellent information!

Kadlubek estimates this lens at about €327,- and this catalogue regularly shows low prices for Russian lenses (e.g. Jupiter-8 for € 50,-).
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