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rokkor1,2/58 or summicron 2/50 R?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:49 pm    Post subject: rokkor1,2/58 or summicron 2/50 R? Reply with quote
Like Roger - shutterbug-used to say explaining why he used 1,4 summilux m and not the summicron 50 f/2, both lenses at 5,6/8 produced the same image and, with the summilux he had the 1,4 aperture if it was useful.

Well, in that way i use the rokkor 58/1,2 lens. At 5,6/8 almost none is better and has f1,2 aperture and when i need it, there is.

But lately my hungry of lenses call for the f2/50 summicron R.

I can't decide. Can you help me?


PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Take Leica and try , if you are happy keep it, if not you can find next curious guy easily.


PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Summicron R is on my wanted list, but take care there are some differences between first and second version


PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: rokkor1,2/58 or summicron 2/50 R? Reply with quote
DR.JUAN wrote:
Like Roger - shutterbug-used to say explaining why he used 1,4 summilux m and not the summicron 50 f/2, both lenses at 5,6/8 produced the same image and, with the summilux he had the 1,4 aperture if it was useful.

Well, in that way i use the rokkor 58/1,2 lens. At 5,6/8 almost none is better and has f1,2 aperture and when i need it, there is.

But lately my hungry of lenses call for the f2/50 summicron R.

I can't decide. Can you help me?

That's called LBA attack Smile If you can afford it , take it and test it , Attila is right. But I'll ask you , do you really need it ? Wink


PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: rokkor1,2/58 or summicron 2/50 R? Reply with quote
yinyangbt wrote:
DR.JUAN wrote:
Like Roger - shutterbug-used to say explaining why he used 1,4 summilux m and not the summicron 50 f/2, both lenses at 5,6/8 produced the same image and, with the summilux he had the 1,4 aperture if it was useful.

Well, in that way i use the rokkor 58/1,2 lens. At 5,6/8 almost none is better and has f1,2 aperture and when i need it, there is.

But lately my hungry of lenses call for the f2/50 summicron R.

I can't decide. Can you help me?

That's called LBA attack Smile If you can afford it , take it and test it , Attila is right. But I'll ask you , do you really need it ? Wink


do we ever need more than one in the same focal?
Very Happy Very Happy


PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks guys, very much.

Yes, Attila. I can try it (again, like I did some time ago. Perhaps 25 years or so Embarassed )

I know the summicron, both of them. I have written records with their caracteristics and defaults.

But, in special the last version left in my mind very good memories.

And you know what is it, the old good lens is better than the good of today.

And, overall, I like to buy lenses!!!!!

Now knowing the three, can't take desicion.


PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: rokkor1,2/58 or summicron 2/50 R? Reply with quote
hoanpham wrote:
yinyangbt wrote:
DR.JUAN wrote:
Like Roger - shutterbug-used to say explaining why he used 1,4 summilux m and not the summicron 50 f/2, both lenses at 5,6/8 produced the same image and, with the summilux he had the 1,4 aperture if it was useful.

Well, in that way i use the rokkor 58/1,2 lens. At 5,6/8 almost none is better and has f1,2 aperture and when i need it, there is.

But lately my hungry of lenses call for the f2/50 summicron R.

I can't decide. Can you help me?

That's called LBA attack Smile If you can afford it , take it and test it , Attila is right. But I'll ask you , do you really need it ? Wink


do we ever need more than one in the same focal?
Very Happy Very Happy

I'm the wrong person to ask as I have more than 25 lenses in the 50-58mm range. Embarassed
Cool


PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
DR.JUAN wrote:
Thanks guys, very much.

Yes, Attila. I can try it (again, like I did some time ago. Perhaps 25 years or so Embarassed )

I know the summicron, both of them. I have written records with their caracteristics and defaults.

But, in special the last version left in my mind very good memories.

And you know what is it, the old good lens is better than the good of today.

And, overall, I like to buy lenses!!!!!

Now knowing the three, can't take desicion.

Look for a good deal, then you won't be out anything if you decide to sell it again.


PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Decision is fairly easy fit into your budget, lens has any emotional relation to you ? if both yes take it Wink


PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a decision.

Know that the summicron v.2 is sharper at f/2 than the v.1. But almost equal to rokkor 1,2/58 at f/2.

At f/2,8 and f/4 the summicron v.2 wins.

At 5,6 and f/8 the cron and the rokkor almost the same rendering. Perhaps the cron a bit more contrast.

At f/11 the cron wins again.

The bokeh, for the rokkor.

I use the 5,6 and f/8 aperture. So the cron and rokkor, in facts, are practically the same in rendering.

And at f/1,2 and f/1,4 only the rokkor plays.

Roklor 1,2/58 for me by now.


PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
DR.JUAN wrote:
Roklor 1,2/58 for me by now.


Good logic, good choice.


PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
woodrim wrote:
DR.JUAN wrote:
Roklor 1,2/58 for me by now.


Good logic, good choice.


Thank you.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i'll take 58 1.2 without hesitation


PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Playing he devil's advocate... Coindidently, I was pp yesterday two pics taken with the Summicron-R 2/50. Both at f5.6.


_MG_8778DV2013-BW-web por Renato Augusto Salles, no Flickr


_MG_8774_lzn-BW-web por Renato Augusto Salles, no Flickr

I didn't find necessary to add sharpening. If there is some it's a SilverEfexPro addition, not mine (we never know what happens behind the courtains...)


Cheers,

Renato


PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very nice, Renato.

They seem to be those i take with my rokkor. Wink

Very Happy Very Happy


PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Never had summi, but own rokky. As for me Rokkor 58/1.2 is really excellent lens. Despite of some mirror issues with 5DMarkX (I am using LiveView to avoid them) and size it has a beautiful rendering, contrast and colors. Especially I like portraits from it. Some time ago I have quickly compared rokky with my Contax Plannar AEG 50/1.4 @f/4-f/5.6 and got no difference in terms of sharpness. Depending on the situation and your experience rokky could render especially creamy/dreamy.

@1.2 1 source light from window



Some random from Brit FLoyd friday concert. Well not stellar counter light performance but really nice - only a few rare flares over all the shots. Those are crops from larger images - I was sitting pretty far from scene:









PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very nice pics, thanks for sharing.

At F/8 I'm almost sure that you didn't find some differences in rendering between the Rokkor 1,2 and the Planar. Especially 'cos the rokkor's best aperture (IMHO) is just F/8.

The only one desagree is the CA that the lens shows wide open (yes, I remember that it's F/1,2 and it was made for low light).

The portraits are nice, yes, I agree.

But for portraits, in rokkor's world, try the MC PF 100/2. Beleave me, it's a dream lens. Perhaps not the King of pixel peeping, but it is into the royalty of the great IQ lenses.


PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
DR.JUAN wrote:


But for portraits, in rokkor's world, try the MC PF 100/2. Beleave me, it's a dream lens. Perhaps not the King of pixel peeping, but it is into the royalty of the great IQ lenses.


I see you can spend over $1000 for the f/2 and under $100 for the f/2.5. That much a difference?


PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
woodrim wrote:
DR.JUAN wrote:


But for portraits, in rokkor's world, try the MC PF 100/2. Beleave me, it's a dream lens. Perhaps not the King of pixel peeping, but it is into the royalty of the great IQ lenses.


I see you can spend over $1000 for the f/2 and under $100 for the f/2.5. That much a difference?


The money, i think, does not be the parameter to judge the lens quality. Not matter lens cost. Only the IQ. And if the lens worth for you, well so worth the money.

I like the 100/2, if it should worth $ 10 better, and if it is expensive, if i can, i pay.

It's better than the 2,5.

But it's difficult to me put a price to the difference between both. How much is the best f/4? How much is the f/2?

Anyways, the 2,5 MC second version is a good lens, indeed.
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