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estudleon
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 Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: rokkor 45/2. Underrated? So much!!! |
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estudleon wrote:
I have seen some pics taken with nex 3 and 4 minolta's lenses.
1- 45/2
2- 35/1,8
3-35/2,8 mc
4-35/,2,8 md.
In all the casus were used f/4 to f/8.
The pics where the 45/2 was used at f/8 win over the rest (yes) the 35/1,8 included.
Wanderful and cheap lens!!!!!
Anything is wrong? Don't understad very well, can't beleave this.
Any experience?
Rino
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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fermy
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fermy wrote:
I like this lens: it's small, sharp, and the focal length is not very common. Here's the size comparison with Canon FD 50/1.4 and Hexanon AR 40/1.8 on their respective m4/3 adapters. I think it also shows a downside of this lens: the size advantage over 1.4 lens is not that great, while 1 stop difference is quite significant.
IQ is quite good, certainly good enough for me. I don't think however, that it stands out compared to other good normals. I'll keep it, however, because it's the only 45mm lens that I have.
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hoanpham
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hoanpham wrote:
It's tiny, good and cheap.
#1 at f2.0
#2 at f2.0
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Minolta made good lenses shame how people not respect most of them.
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I think it's the best cheap pancake available. I have Rokkor 2/45, Hexanon 1.8/40, Pentacon 2.4/50 and had Yashica ML 2/50, they are all the same size - tiny.
The Yashica is perhaps the sharpest but the Rokkor is the one I liked most, very smooth rendering and bokeh, rich colours, sharp even wide open. It's not the greatest technically but the character is very attractive.
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ForenSeil
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ForenSeil wrote:
Minolta made really great lenses.
The Minolta MD 50/2 is also really great and as underrated as the 45/2. For my taste the 50/2 is optically the best manual ~50mm lens I've ever had (and I had many of them, some of them were 20 times more expensive).
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Nesster
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Nesster wrote:
For me the only real drawback with the 45 is that it doesn't focus as close as the Minolta 50's. Otherwise, a wonderful lens.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Almost all 50/55/58 mm rokkor lenses seem to have better rendering than the 2/45. Or at least the same at f/5,8-8.
Different with 35 mm lenses? Is the 45 lens better fhan the mc and md 35's?
From that fact the 45 shoul be more and better watched like a moderate wide angle than a normal lenses.
A good partner to the 100/2,5 rokkor?
Rino
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Hatch
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Hatch wrote:
The way Minoltas are priced, getting them all shouldn't be such a problem.
The cult lenses excepted of course.
Those are pricey relatively speaking.
Minoltas are my favorites with the NEX7.
Prefer them over my Leitz tbh |
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fermy
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fermy wrote:
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Almost all 50/55/58 mm rokkor lenses seem to have better rendering than the 2/45. Or at least the same at f/5,8-8.
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From that fact the 45 shoul be more and better watched like a moderate wide angle than a normal lenses.
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How can it be a wide angle if most people today are using it on crop cameras?
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
The term wide angle is not absolute, but relative to the focal lengh taken like " normal ". If you read adecuately thr tread, can see that the 50/55/58 are taken as normal lenses.
The little size of your sensor, isn't a lens problem, is yours.
Inside this reference, the 45 mm can be considered like a moderate wide angle lens, not matter how little your senzor can be
Anyways, can you do any serious aport?
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar.
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tromboads
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tromboads wrote:
I've wanted a 40ish lens for a while now, just sunk some cash on a 45mm in which I will adapt to take a pentax K-mount.
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fermy
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fermy wrote:
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The term wide angle is not absolute, but relative to the focal lengh taken like " normal ". If you read adecuately thr tread, can see that the 50/55/58 are taken as normal lenses.
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Inside this reference, the 45 mm can be considered like a moderate wide angle lens, not matter how little your senzor can be
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I simply don't think that re-defining well established terminology has any justification here: terms "normal", "wide", and "tele" has long been related to the FOV, and used that way they have photographic meaning, while your redefinitions don't.
For example on APS-C 35mm is a normal, while 45mm is a short tele, I don't think there is any basis for comparison of these lenses in APS-C context as the usage is too different. On m4/3 both will be short teles and the basis for comparison reappears, but it's completely different to such basis on Minolta film camera, where 35-45mm is wide-normal to normal.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
I agree respect the little sensors. I hope that the ff will come more accesible. The results seem to not let comparison. For example the pics i watched taken using a canon ff are stunning. And with almost any kind of lenses.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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vlousada
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vlousada wrote:
I like this small Minolta lens too...
I also tend to use Rokkor with Sony cameras (NEX-3). I believe the sony's sensor and minolta signature in lenses work very well together
I have rokkors 35 f/1.8 and 45 f/2 and guess what: - the little rokkor 45mm f/2 IS MY FRONT CAP of NEX camera!!! 
Pros:
a) fantastic size in camera;
b) not so long with adapter , Thus can be used with the Nex's flash;
c) really sharp lens.
cons:
d) to me the only downsize is: focus ring is small (at least compared with 1.8 version) and to sometimes with low light and "fast actions" it is hard to spot the focus... The rokkor 35mm f/1.8 has a much longer focusing ring so (to me) work better to focus precisely.
A little GEM indeed.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
A FRONT CAP???? OHH......
If you take an accidental pic it should be a good one
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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vlousada
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vlousada wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
A FRONT CAP???? OHH......
If you take an accidental pic it should be a good one |
So TRUE, that I also forgot to include this lens in my profile signature!!! 
(Surely was on camera and not among the others lenses when start inventoring...)
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