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montecarlo
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 1865 Location: Romania
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:44 am Post subject: Pentax KX vs. MX - reliability |
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montecarlo wrote:
Hello,
I bought in august a MX which asfter only one 35mm roll its shutter jammed. I'm no specialist and a servicing would cost way beyond buying another one, I was surprised to see how fragile the MX is, especially in contrast with less regarder Chinon CM4/Ricoh XR1 - KPentax mount cameras. I was wondering if, regadint the camera's reliability (both mechanical and electronical - light meter), the KX would the better. I know, KX it's bigger and heavier, and i love the MX's ergonomics (with its led lightmeter), size and all (shutter sound ), but better a bigget camera than a non working one.
Thank you.
ps. I like a lot these mechanical cameras being able to work even if their light meter is broken, without any elecronics _________________ Canonet QL17 III
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I have a very old Pentax S1a - M42 lens mount - that is built like a tank, a Pentax MG and a ME Super which are nowhere near as sturdy, I've just had to un-jam the ME.
But my Chinon CE5 is the heavy weight! That really is made from left over tank parts. But the price for this is a clunky camera, the Chinon makes big mechanical noises, the Pentax just clicks. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
If its a metal shutter try a little naptha. Keep the naptha away from the foam pieces though, that can make a mess. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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nrparsons
Joined: 02 Aug 2010 Posts: 28 Location: Central Florida, USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Pentax KX vs. MX - reliability |
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nrparsons wrote:
montecarlo wrote: |
I bought in august a MX which asfter only one 35mm roll its shutter jammed. I'm no specialist and a servicing would cost way beyond buying another one, I was surprised to see how fragile the MX is, especially in contrast with less regarder Chinon CM4/Ricoh XR1 - KPentax mount cameras. |
I'm just curious: What is your source on the fragility of the MX compared to the durability of the CM4 and XR1? This is news to me that it is a fragile camera. And my experience with the CM4 is that it's good, but certainly not Pentax quality. (For example, don't try to clean the cover or base of a CM4 with denatured alcohol; it will soften the paint and possibly the plastic.)
This was your first roll of film through the MX, but how many rolls had been run through it before in its 28+ year lifespan? It might have been used by a pro back in the day. And was it CLA'd before you bought it? If so, how well? The KX you buy to replace it also may have been heavily used, and besides, it'll be at least a year or two older than the MX.
It ain't the years, honey, it's the mileage.--Indiana Jones |
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brh
Joined: 21 Nov 2011 Posts: 5 Location: MD, United States
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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brh wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
I have a very old Pentax S1a - M42 lens mount - that is built like a tank, a Pentax MG and a ME Super which are nowhere near as sturdy, I've just had to un-jam the ME. |
Not really fair to compare the MX with any of the other Ms though, they're very different beasts. MX is fully mechanical, horizontal cloth shutter and the others are electronic vertical metal. MX was built to be sold to pros, internal construction is considerably beefier than the others - comparing the weight of an MX with an ME Super should tell you something, the MX really feels solid in the hand! I have had an MX fail - though I used it for a year before this happened, and it obviously took a fair beating before I got it, as the pentaprism is not even level. I have fallen and landed on K series bodies, and not thought much of it after the fact, I would definitely consider the Ks stronger than the MX. But I would not consider the MX to be fragile by any means! |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
I don't think it matters whether the camera is big or small, heavy or light, or whether it's solidly built or not. All cameras need maintenance occasionally and any shutter is likely to jam if it's neglected. The chances are your camera has been sitting around unused for a few years and will be a little sticky or lazy. Probably all it needs is some use, but that's impossible if the shutter has jammed.
The MX has a cloth shutter and the roller bearings (8 of them) need to be oiled and cleaned. It's not a difficult job but without the knowledge and experience you'd be better sending it off to a repair man. That's the joy of using old cameras I'm afraid. The KX has the same shutter as the MX, so you could quite easily find the same problem and need to send that off too. If you like your MX then stick with it and get it serviced.
Incidentally, if you ever think of buying a K1000 be very careful. Production of this camera went on for much longer than the rest of the K range, and in later years Pentax subcontracted the manufacture to a Chinese factory, who used much cheaper quality plastic parts. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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brh
Joined: 21 Nov 2011 Posts: 5 Location: MD, United States
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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brh wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
Incidentally, if you ever think of buying a K1000 be very careful. Production of this camera went on for much longer than the rest of the K range, and in later years Pentax subcontracted the manufacture to a Chinese factory, who used much cheaper quality plastic parts. |
Curious if you (or anyone else) have any numbers on the Chinese and Vietnamese manufactured K1000s. I've seen them for sale on forums and the like but the only ones I've ever seen in person are the Japanese and/or Hong Kong mfd. ones. From what I understand the Hong Kong models are probably the most common, though it was only the final assembly that took place there with the parts being identical to the earlier Japanese mfd. copies... |
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womble
Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Posts: 987 Location: Hertfordshire
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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womble wrote:
I've had two MXes, one got stolen, the other works perfectly apart from a battery drain problem which is well known and was easily fixed.
I'm afraid old cameras need a service now and again, and old cameras which haven't been used for a while will have problems. Cameras, especially shutters, need regular exercise.
K. _________________ Kris Lockyear
Digital: Pentax K-3iii
35mm film SLRs: various Pentax bodies from a H2 to a SF7, favourites the MX and LX
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
womble wrote: |
I'm afraid old cameras need a service now and again, and old cameras which haven't been used for a while will have problems. Cameras, especially shutters, need regular exercise.
K. |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:50 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
brh wrote: |
peterqd wrote: |
Incidentally, if you ever think of buying a K1000 be very careful. Production of this camera went on for much longer than the rest of the K range, and in later years Pentax subcontracted the manufacture to a Chinese factory, who used much cheaper quality plastic parts. |
Curious if you (or anyone else) have any numbers on the Chinese and Vietnamese manufactured K1000s. I've seen them for sale on forums and the like but the only ones I've ever seen in person are the Japanese and/or Hong Kong mfd. ones. From what I understand the Hong Kong models are probably the most common, though it was only the final assembly that took place there with the parts being identical to the earlier Japanese mfd. copies... |
No, I've never been interested in a K1000 and I've never researched it. I wouldn't even know how to recognise a Chinese one, although I believe the top plate is plastic so it probably has a different look to the normal plated metal. Will be interesting to see if anyone comes up with some info. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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memento
Joined: 05 Nov 2012 Posts: 79
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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memento wrote:
I had a Japanese K1000 and still have a Spotmatic (in SP 1000 flavour) and they both seem to have exactly the same (sturdy) mechanisms. The sound of the shutter is exactly the same, especially at 1/8 and 1/15 second. My SP 1000 is not 100% accurate, you can't use the 1/1000 second and should avoid the 1/500 due to the shutter curtains running a bit inaccurate. I guess it's not a failure because of bad quality but just of decades without maintenance ..... my K1000 was better – and obviously also somewhat newer – but eventually I decided to give up K-mount and concentrate on M42. Thomas |
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