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Yahvel
Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Posts: 243 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:45 am Post subject: Olympus G.Zuiko OM 50/1.4 or Minolta MC Rokkor-X 50/1.4 ? |
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Yahvel wrote:
Olympus G.Zuiko OM 50/1.4 or Minolta MC Rokkor-X 50/1.4 ?
I have both of these lenses and I want to get rid of one but I don't know which one to sell.
Which one do you think should I keep ?
Are they both just as good or is one better than the other ?
I would really appreciate your feedback, thanks in advance. |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6000 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
I don't have either, but from what I have read the Rokkor may have the edge as far as other people's opinions is concerned.
What kind of images do you usually/most commonly make?
Try both of them in these circumstances and analyse what pleases you about their images.
If one stands out for you - what makes this one more pleasing to you than the other?
Keep the one that gives you joy.
If they both do but in different ways - keep them both.
OH |
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 940 Location: Poland
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:16 am Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
Nobody can help you.
It depends how you use these lenses , on which camera, your expectations and your taste.
It depends the quality of the samples you have.
Keep both, use them , test them. Make your mind before selling one. |
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moltogordo
Joined: 16 Mar 2014 Posts: 46 Location: Prince George, British Columbia
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:42 am Post subject: |
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moltogordo wrote:
I'd agree. Keep both and test them - I've had both and liked both. _________________ If you prefer "I think, therefore I am" to "non sum qualis eram", you are putting Descartes before Horace. |
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davev8app
Joined: 09 Dec 2010 Posts: 134 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:59 am Post subject: |
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davev8app wrote:
i would think you are the most qualified to tell us ...every body sees different things in different lenses _________________ nex-3c MD f3.5 35-70mm macro.. rokkor 50-135 F3.5 FDn 50mm 1.4.. black jupiter 11 135 F4..big list of 28mm 35mm 50mm 135mm to see what are keepers 5D,40D ,20D, MF Tamron SP 90 F2.5 Macro, Canon 17-35 F2.8L, Canon 80-200 F2.8L Magic drainpipe, Tokina ATX 28-70 F2.6-F2.8 Pro11, Canon 17-55 F2.8 IS The slow one Canon 100-300 F5.6L. Lens i wish i never sold>> Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 180 mm f2.8< |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3704 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
memetph wrote: |
Nobody can help you.
It depends how you use these lenses , on which camera, your expectations and your taste.
It depends the quality of the samples you have.
Keep both, use them , test them. Make your mind before selling one. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I have both those lenses, I shall keep both. If I was forced to choose, I would probably keep the Minolta - for one simple reason, which has nothing to do with the optical qualities of two fine, but different lenses. I use the Minolta more because the lens release of the Olympus lenses are more prone to being accidentally knocked and releasing the lens when mounted on the adapter for my Sony, I have modified the Minolta adapter but not the Olympus.
Optically each lens has it's own characteristics, I like them both. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
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davev8app
Joined: 09 Dec 2010 Posts: 134 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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davev8app wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
I have both those lenses, I shall keep both. If I was forced to choose, I would probably keep the Minolta - for one simple reason, which has nothing to do with the optical qualities of two fine, but different lenses. I use the Minolta more because the lens release of the Olympus lenses are more prone to being accidentally knocked and releasing the lens when mounted on the adapter for my Sony, I have modified the Minolta adapter but not the Olympus.
Optically each lens has it's own characteristics, I like them both. |
how would you describe the differences..at the moment its my most used focal length and i am using a canon FDn f1.4 50mm and like it but would like to try some more 50s _________________ nex-3c MD f3.5 35-70mm macro.. rokkor 50-135 F3.5 FDn 50mm 1.4.. black jupiter 11 135 F4..big list of 28mm 35mm 50mm 135mm to see what are keepers 5D,40D ,20D, MF Tamron SP 90 F2.5 Macro, Canon 17-35 F2.8L, Canon 80-200 F2.8L Magic drainpipe, Tokina ATX 28-70 F2.6-F2.8 Pro11, Canon 17-55 F2.8 IS The slow one Canon 100-300 F5.6L. Lens i wish i never sold>> Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 180 mm f2.8< |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
The main difference is - the Minolta gives warmer colours, they are both sharp. 50mm lenses from the big manufacturers are going to be good, the slower ones that were sold with the cameras had to be good, if they were bad the manufacturer would lose the sale on the wide angles and short tele's that the aspiring photographer would buy next.
The faster 50's sold as the more expensive - better quality - lenses, but were they always better? A lot of people rate the Rokkor 1.7 as better than the 1.4. And today the faster lens still commands the highest price.
I think the differences are marginal, how much different to the Canon you already have? You'll have to do some pixel peeping to find out. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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Boris_Akunin
Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Posts: 392 Location: Bremen, Germany
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Boris_Akunin wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
I have both those lenses, I shall keep both. If I was forced to choose, I would probably keep the Minolta - for one simple reason, which has nothing to do with the optical qualities of two fine, but different lenses. I use the Minolta more because the lens release of the Olympus lenses are more prone to being accidentally knocked and releasing the lens when mounted on the adapter for my Sony, I have modified the Minolta adapter but not the Olympus.
Optically each lens has it's own characteristics, I like them both. |
How's the focus ring on the Olympus?
I love the silky smooth focus on the MC Rokkors (brass on aluminium, too bad Minolta switched to alu/alu in the MD series). _________________ Sony: A7 | Samyang FE 35/2.8 | Sony FE 85/1.8
Pentax: K-5 | K28/3.5 | M50/1.7 | DA18-135/3.5-5.6 | F35-70/3.5-4.5
Minolta: X-500 | XD | MD35/2.8 | MC50/1.4 | MD200/4 | MD75-150/4
Canon: nFD24/2.8 | nFD35/2 | nFD50/1.4 | nFD300/5.6 | nFD35-105/3.5
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
[quote="davev8app"]
Lloydy wrote: |
how would you describe the differences..at the moment its my most used focal length and i am using a canon FDn f1.4 50mm and like it but would like to try some more 50s |
If I might make a few suggestions. Here are a few 50ish lenses you could try. All good quality. All will give distinct images. I was able to buy each off Ebay for less than $50 US, some considerably less.
Konica Hexanon AR 57mm f1.4
Pentax Super Takumar 55mm f1.8
Yashica ML 50mm f1.7
MEYER-OPTIK GORLITZ ORESTON 50mm f1.8 _________________ Steve
Just an armadillo on the shoulder of the information superhighway. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
the Olympus lenses have a nice feel to them, and although the cameras are light and have a nice 'delicate' feel to them, the lenses feel like a good lens should. I have a Rokkor and Zuiko 50 1.4 here on the desk, and actually - the Zuiko feels nicer, and of course they have a distinctive look with the aperture ring on the front and the chrome ring to the back where the stop down and lens release buttons are. I really like both lenses, but the Zuiko just beats the Rokkor in looks and feel. And that's important when we use a lens, it adds to the pleasure.
The Pentax Super Takumar 55mm f1.8 and Yashica ML 50mm f1.7 that Newst recommends are two more great lenses, the Yashica was a lens I bought by accident really, and I was blown away by it, but remember to get the ML and not the DSB versions of Yashica lenses. The DSB's aren't bad - the ML's are excellent. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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nikono
Joined: 04 Nov 2014 Posts: 38
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:25 am Post subject: |
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nikono wrote:
Your question reminded me of an old old tale of the producer of Star Wars. When Acura came out with the NSX, he loved that car so much for its looks, performance and price, he bought three NSX's of three different colors. He probably didn't have enough money for a Ferrari or he thought he could get three cars for the price of one, better deal.
If I were you, I'd buy one or two more 50mm f1.4 lenses by Canon or/and Nikon. The shots from the lenses may come out similar but the feeling of shooting with one particular lens for a particular occasion should be pretty good. Better yet, the price for one lens is only enough for a tank of gas, so affordable. |
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RSalles
Joined: 12 Aug 2012 Posts: 1372 Location: Brazil - RS / South
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:09 am Post subject: |
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RSalles wrote:
I have 2 copies of the OM 1.4/50. It is IMHO the best Olympus lens I have tried so far - owned the 135/3.5, 200/4, 2.8/28 (the worst by far) 3.5/35mm and 1.8/50.
Few months ago I have open a thread in the big size samples area with a lot of BW pics made with it. The lens is SHARP.
I would also get a Minolta Rokor, the problem is that I don't have a digital camera to use it, only a film camera, XG-1 (thanks X-Press forum member).
Cheers,
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Boris_Akunin
Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Posts: 392 Location: Bremen, Germany
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Boris_Akunin wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
the Olympus lenses have a nice feel to them, and although the cameras are light and have a nice 'delicate' feel to them, the lenses feel like a good lens should. I have a Rokkor and Zuiko 50 1.4 here on the desk, and actually - the Zuiko feels nicer, and of course they have a distinctive look with the aperture ring on the front and the chrome ring to the back where the stop down and lens release buttons are. I really like both lenses, but the Zuiko just beats the Rokkor in looks and feel. And that's important when we use a lens, it adds to the pleasure. |
Damn you! You got me thinking about getting an OM-kit again... The multi-spot metering in the OM-4 is quite intriguing.
I have already decided to sell my recently acquired Canon FD gear (I'm keeping the 200/2.8 for now, the rest has to go) and re-invest into lenses for Fuji and Minolta mounts.
On topic:
You should decide whether you want to collect "nice" lenses or if you want one "nicest" lens for each purpose.
If you're fine with becoming a collector, keep them both. If you want to select the "nicer" one, you can choose some criteria (i.e. sharpness [center "-" edge-to-edge, wide open "-" stopped down], bokeh, handling, size, weight)
and compare them on each of those. If they are substantially different rather than better/worse, you can still keep both.
You are in a better position to compare the two than any of us (sample variation!).
I'm trying to follow the "one lens for each purpose" approach myself but I'm rather bad at it... _________________ Sony: A7 | Samyang FE 35/2.8 | Sony FE 85/1.8
Pentax: K-5 | K28/3.5 | M50/1.7 | DA18-135/3.5-5.6 | F35-70/3.5-4.5
Minolta: X-500 | XD | MD35/2.8 | MC50/1.4 | MD200/4 | MD75-150/4
Canon: nFD24/2.8 | nFD35/2 | nFD50/1.4 | nFD300/5.6 | nFD35-105/3.5
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Boris, you are doomed my friend....... I have an OM10, without the manual adapter, and a few lenses that I need to get rid of - very cheap. I'm not sure if the metering is the same though? _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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Boris_Akunin
Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Posts: 392 Location: Bremen, Germany
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Boris_Akunin wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
Boris, you are doomed my friend....... I have an OM10, without the manual adapter, and a few lenses that I need to get rid of - very cheap. I'm not sure if the metering is the same though? |
HEY! I'm Trying!
I just sold two redundant lenses (Kiron 28/2 & Minolta MD 50/1.4) and put a couple up for sale (FDn 28/2.8, FDn 50/1.8 + Canon T90) today,
three of the lenses in my sig have been up for sale for a couple of days (135/2.8, 200/4, 300/5.6 + Minolta X-700) and so have some I didn't list there (Tokina 400/6.3, Tamron 35-135/3.5-4.5). _________________ Sony: A7 | Samyang FE 35/2.8 | Sony FE 85/1.8
Pentax: K-5 | K28/3.5 | M50/1.7 | DA18-135/3.5-5.6 | F35-70/3.5-4.5
Minolta: X-500 | XD | MD35/2.8 | MC50/1.4 | MD200/4 | MD75-150/4
Canon: nFD24/2.8 | nFD35/2 | nFD50/1.4 | nFD300/5.6 | nFD35-105/3.5
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kenetik
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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kenetik wrote:
I wonder how many of these "Which should I keep?" threads result in the original poster buying something else? _________________ ________________________________________________________
I buy lots of lenses and sometimes I even use them... |
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uddhava
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
kenetik wrote: |
I wonder how many of these "Which should I keep?" threads result in the original poster buying something else? |
I think they result in whoever watches them buying something else (or more)! Now I am thinking about buying a Yashica ML 1.7/50 that I had already decided not to buy. |
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Lloydy
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
uddhava wrote: |
kenetik wrote: |
I wonder how many of these "Which should I keep?" threads result in the original poster buying something else? |
I think they result in whoever watches them buying something else (or more)! Now I am thinking about buying a Yashica ML 1.7/50 that I had already decided not to buy. |
( It's a lovely lens ) _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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uddhava
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
uddhava wrote: |
kenetik wrote: |
I wonder how many of these "Which should I keep?" threads result in the original poster buying something else? |
I think they result in whoever watches them buying something else (or more)! Now I am thinking about buying a Yashica ML 1.7/50 that I had already decided not to buy. |
( It's a lovely lens ) |
I'm not listening!! |
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dnas
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:36 am Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
kenetik wrote: |
I wonder how many of these "Which should I keep?" threads result in the original poster buying something else? |
^^^^^ This!!!!
I did a test a while back on a variety of 50-58mm F1.4 lenses, wide open and stopped down.
(Minolta MC+MD, Super Takumar + SMC Tak , Oly, Konica, Nikon, Canon FD, Yashica [M42]
It was a sharpness, contrast and CA test, but it was on a crop sensor. (micro 4/3)
As I recall, the Minolta MD was equally sharp in the centre, sharper in the corners, and better with CA (corners), but the Oly had better contrast.
It might be time to do another test, this time FF on an A7. This time sharpness, contrast, CA test and Bokeh. |
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