| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
tikkathree
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 755
Location: Lovely Suffolk in Great Britain
Expire: 2012-12-28
|
 Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: Oh blow, I've bought two fillum cameras! Now what? |
 |
|
tikkathree wrote:
In my clutches is a Canon AV-1 with f/1.8 50mm Canon FD lens. The photos of it haven't come out of the DSLR yet. I love the ergonomics of it and can't wait to use it.
Also I've just won an auction for a Canon A-1 which too looks like a nice piece of kit.
Funny how the Canon T90 I picked up some months ago didn't do a thing for me and went straight back on EBay.
Now I need to develop a strategy for dealing with fillum, keeping it simple stupid!
Slide film or prints?
Colour or b&w?
I am NOT going to start developing my own. I don't get a kick out of chemistry at all. So the fillums will be going off to wherever for developation or whatever it's called.
I think print fillum and I fancy a combination of b&w and colour. I'm willing to try different makes of film too.
What have I done?? 
_________________
I used to think digital was fun but then I discovered film, then I found old lenses and then, eventually I found rangefinders.
EOS 5DII, loadsalenses
Canon G9 IR conv,
MF: TLR, 645 and folders
35mm: Oly OM Pro bodies 1, 2, 3 and 4; Soviet RF kit |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Posts: 6602
Location: San Francisco, USA
Expire: 2018-01-18
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
luisalegria wrote:
You are in trouble now.
If you dont want to mess with the chemistry, I suggest the cheapest color print film you can get, with store processing and scanning. This part of the hobby doesn't need to be that expensive !
The best use of these 35mm SLR's I can think of is to get the most of those MF wide-angles, and in your case all those Canon FD lenses. Canon FD wide angles, how about that ?
_________________
I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
trev
Joined: 30 Jun 2010
Posts: 580
Location: North Wales - UK
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
trev wrote:
Stick with colour print fillum, then if you want b+w do it on the computer.
Canon A1 great camera, I have several which I use from time to time
_________________
Fuji X10, X-A1 and Samsung nx 20 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Posts: 5017
Location: UK
Expire: 2014-04-21
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Excalibur wrote:
The AV1 is different to many other Canons as it's Aperture priority, nice camera (I like mine) but any problem with the exposure meter and it's a doorstop i.e. no manual backup. And I can understand why you didn't like the T90 as Canon DSLR's are based on it...so boring.
_________________
Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tikkathree
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 755
Location: Lovely Suffolk in Great Britain
Expire: 2012-12-28
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tikkathree wrote:
| Excalibur wrote: |
| The AV1 is different to many other Canons as it's Aperture priority, nice camera (I like mine) but any problem with the exposure meter and it's a doorstop i.e. no manual backup. And I can understand why you didn't like the T90 as Canon DSLR's are based on it...so boring. |
Exposure meter: that the little needle which flips up and down on command? Or is that simply driven by the exposure meter?
T90 was too, too the wrong shape. Ugly proportions - too shallow front to back too wide side to side and so plasticky. Ewww!
But I love my gripped EOS 5DII and 1DII: heavy, tactile, well balanced.
_________________
I used to think digital was fun but then I discovered film, then I found old lenses and then, eventually I found rangefinders.
EOS 5DII, loadsalenses
Canon G9 IR conv,
MF: TLR, 645 and folders
35mm: Oly OM Pro bodies 1, 2, 3 and 4; Soviet RF kit |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tikkathree
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 755
Location: Lovely Suffolk in Great Britain
Expire: 2012-12-28
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tikkathree wrote:
| trev wrote: |
Stick with colour print fillum, then if you want b+w do it on the computer.
Canon A1 great camera, I have several which I use from time to time |
Cheers. I expect there to be differences between different makes and what's this store it in the freezer malarkey: am I being wound up?
_________________
I used to think digital was fun but then I discovered film, then I found old lenses and then, eventually I found rangefinders.
EOS 5DII, loadsalenses
Canon G9 IR conv,
MF: TLR, 645 and folders
35mm: Oly OM Pro bodies 1, 2, 3 and 4; Soviet RF kit |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tikkathree
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 755
Location: Lovely Suffolk in Great Britain
Expire: 2012-12-28
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tikkathree wrote:
| luisalegria wrote: |
| You are in trouble now. |
Glutton for it, aren't I? I'm on my way to MF in my daydreams.
| luisalegria wrote: |
| If you dont want to mess with the chemistry, I suggest the cheapest color print film you can get, with store processing and scanning. This part of the hobby doesn't need to be that expensive ! |
This part? You're hinting at something now 
| luisalegria wrote: |
| The best use of these 35mm SLR's I can think of is to get the most of those MF wide-angles, and in your case all those Canon FD lenses. Canon FD wide angles, how about that ? |
More lenses? Cool!
_________________
I used to think digital was fun but then I discovered film, then I found old lenses and then, eventually I found rangefinders.
EOS 5DII, loadsalenses
Canon G9 IR conv,
MF: TLR, 645 and folders
35mm: Oly OM Pro bodies 1, 2, 3 and 4; Soviet RF kit |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tikkathree
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 755
Location: Lovely Suffolk in Great Britain
Expire: 2012-12-28
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tikkathree wrote:
Canon EF SLR... drool, slaver, drool, lust. 
_________________
I used to think digital was fun but then I discovered film, then I found old lenses and then, eventually I found rangefinders.
EOS 5DII, loadsalenses
Canon G9 IR conv,
MF: TLR, 645 and folders
35mm: Oly OM Pro bodies 1, 2, 3 and 4; Soviet RF kit |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Posts: 5017
Location: UK
Expire: 2014-04-21
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Excalibur wrote:
| tikkathree wrote: |
Or is that simply driven by the exposure meter?
|
That's a good question and I've forgotten the answer ...I should know/remember as I threw a mint black AV1 away and was about to throw my silver one away because the exposure was so far out I couldn't compensate with the ASA dial. but I took the top off to fix it, and it fixed itself  
_________________
Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tikkathree
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 755
Location: Lovely Suffolk in Great Britain
Expire: 2012-12-28
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tikkathree wrote:
| Excalibur wrote: |
| tikkathree wrote: |
Or is that simply driven by the exposure meter?
|
That's a good question and I've forgotten the answer ...I should know/remember as I threw a mint black AV1 away and was about to throw my silver one away because the exposure was so far out I couldn't compensate with the ASA dial. but I took the top off to fix it, and it fixed itself |
I'll make a note of your name just in case hahaha!
_________________
I used to think digital was fun but then I discovered film, then I found old lenses and then, eventually I found rangefinders.
EOS 5DII, loadsalenses
Canon G9 IR conv,
MF: TLR, 645 and folders
35mm: Oly OM Pro bodies 1, 2, 3 and 4; Soviet RF kit |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008
Posts: 6950
Location: S Glos, UK
Expire: 2013-11-18
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
martinsmith99 wrote:
| tikkathree wrote: |
| trev wrote: |
Stick with colour print fillum, then if you want b+w do it on the computer.
Canon A1 great camera, I have several which I use from time to time |
Cheers. I expect there to be differences between different makes and what's this store it in the freezer malarkey: am I being wound up? |
Store it in the freezer and it'll kep past the expiry date. I keep mine in a fridge if I'm going to use it soon, otherwise freezer.
_________________
Casual attendance these days |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tikkathree
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 755
Location: Lovely Suffolk in Great Britain
Expire: 2012-12-28
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tikkathree wrote:
Thank you Martin
_________________
I used to think digital was fun but then I discovered film, then I found old lenses and then, eventually I found rangefinders.
EOS 5DII, loadsalenses
Canon G9 IR conv,
MF: TLR, 645 and folders
35mm: Oly OM Pro bodies 1, 2, 3 and 4; Soviet RF kit |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 57865
Location: Hungary
Expire: 2025-11-18
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Attila wrote:
Congrats!
To me which type of film I will use determine by subjects. At infinity distance I prefer slide film only. To closer distance , buildings, rocks , material with high structure I prefer B&W. Portrait fine with any types of film. I don't shoot film for macro, close-up due I like result from digital cameras better.
_________________
-------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tikkathree
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 755
Location: Lovely Suffolk in Great Britain
Expire: 2012-12-28
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tikkathree wrote:
Well I picked up 3 rolls of Kodak colour plus 24 exp ISO 200 @ £5 per 3. Develop before date is 07/2013 so it needn't go straight in the deep freeze and there's plenty more in the shop.
I've all but used one roll so I'll be going back tomorrow to get it developed. There's this great big machine taking up the back of the shop, it's some kind of Kodak Super Centre or similar words.
I work in this little town with this lovely old fashioned family-owned camera/photography shop. I'm told the owner still uses film for weddings.
Subject to him not chopping me in half for the cost of developing to cd, I think I ought to develop a relationship here.
Oh the camera? Love it to bits.
Slightly surprised how much the whole shutter actuation goes "kerlunk" but the whole event is very satisfying.
I need to get some film developed so I can see how it performs but the needle works a treat, winding ISO setting up and down cirrectly shows up in the exposure needle. It's so tactile.
I'm sat looking at it now.
The way it just snuggles into the palm of my hand whereas the two big DSLRs sit on my hand like big chunky dogs!
I'm still looking at it. What'll I do when the other body turns up? And I'm bidding on another type too!
I'll let you know.
_________________
I used to think digital was fun but then I discovered film, then I found old lenses and then, eventually I found rangefinders.
EOS 5DII, loadsalenses
Canon G9 IR conv,
MF: TLR, 645 and folders
35mm: Oly OM Pro bodies 1, 2, 3 and 4; Soviet RF kit |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009
Posts: 3460
Location: Northern Ireland
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
DigiChromeEd wrote:
If you have a Poundland shop near you they are selling Kodak Colour Plus 24 exp ISO 200 for £1 per roll.
_________________
"I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Posts: 5017
Location: UK
Expire: 2014-04-21
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Excalibur wrote:
One year in Ibiza all I took was a Nikon EM with 50mm lens and just snapped this sunset:-
The next year took a AV1 with Canon 28mm f2.8 to get a better shot from a beach, erm waited and waited and no red sunset, so we started to leave early to miss the crowd and I just quickly took a snap of the view (which was better than nothing) well my AV1 got the exposure right and produced a nice shot like this:-
_________________
Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tikkathree
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 755
Location: Lovely Suffolk in Great Britain
Expire: 2012-12-28
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tikkathree wrote:
| DigiChromeEd wrote: |
| If you have a Poundland shop near you they are selling Kodak Colour Plus 24 exp ISO 200 for £1 per roll. |
Really? I'll go looking tomorrow. I want to go now but they're shut. If they're there. We've got pound something in Thetford.
Cheers
_________________
I used to think digital was fun but then I discovered film, then I found old lenses and then, eventually I found rangefinders.
EOS 5DII, loadsalenses
Canon G9 IR conv,
MF: TLR, 645 and folders
35mm: Oly OM Pro bodies 1, 2, 3 and 4; Soviet RF kit |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tikkathree
Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 755
Location: Lovely Suffolk in Great Britain
Expire: 2012-12-28
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tikkathree wrote:
| Excalibur wrote: |
The next year took a AV1 with Canon 28mm f2.8 to get a better shot from a beach, erm waited and waited and no red sunset, so we started to leave early to miss the crowd and I just quickly took a snap of the view (which was better than nothing) well my AV1 got the exposure right and produced a nice shot like this:-
|
And how much I like that one.
_________________
I used to think digital was fun but then I discovered film, then I found old lenses and then, eventually I found rangefinders.
EOS 5DII, loadsalenses
Canon G9 IR conv,
MF: TLR, 645 and folders
35mm: Oly OM Pro bodies 1, 2, 3 and 4; Soviet RF kit |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012
Posts: 4744
Location: Cheshire, England
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
philslizzy wrote:
I went to the product launch of the Canon A1. It had an amazing 7 metering modes, unheard of at the time. It was the last in the great A range. Starting with the AE1, never saw a bad 'un in 5 years, then the AV1, small and a doddle to use. Then amidst much fanfare the, A1. They were £499 in 1979 and we shifted loads. I worked at Cutlers Camera Centre in Manchester (later Photomarkets). The first one I sold was to a guy who won a 'lottery' type thing and had £1000 burning a hole in his pocket. I relieved him of half of that, but being a generous soul (with Mr Cutler's money) I gave him a Kodacolor II film for free. He was well chuffed!
Canon then were imported by JJ Silber |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 7788
Location: Ironbridge. UK.
Expire: 2022-01-01
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
Lloydy wrote:
The A1 was my first decent SLR, I got it around 1979 when they were still a current camera. I liked it a lot, it went on a few tours of America and Canada and took many many gorgeous slides, mainly Fujichrome. But it had one failing for me, the viewfinder display was in 1/3 stops - and I struggle greatly with numbers ( I have dyscalculia ) and found the display more trouble than it was worth. Quite possibly it's a setting I could have altered, if I'd looked closer - I don't know? But after two years or so I traded it for a AE1P, and had a string of them. I still have one today. I know the A1 is a far better camera, but that simple thing made it frustrating for me.
As for using film, I use Poundshop film and get it processed at Tesco's for 99p. I much prefer the Agfa film from the Pounshop though, I only use the Colorplus for camera testing now.
For B&W I use Ilford XP2 which I get from Boots, they generally have a "3 for 2" deal on which makes it cheaper than anyplace I've seen on the internet, and XP2 is a C41 process film so it goes to Tesco's as well. It's actually a very nice film, I like the tones a great deal.
_________________
LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sonyrokkor
Joined: 24 Sep 2012
Posts: 222
Location: Perù, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
sonyrokkor wrote:
The B&W images of the film is not surpased by digital taken, to my eyes and by now.
The XP2 get off any problem to you. And the quality is good.
In Canon world, the A1 or F1, with an ultra wide lens and XP2, are my dream. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
skida
Joined: 02 Mar 2012
Posts: 1826
Location: North East England
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
skida wrote:
Congratulations on your initial film camera purchase, which has opened up a new world of discovery: cameras, lenses and different types of films. I bought an Olympus OM10 about three years ago and now have, in addition, a Minolta XG-M, a Minolta X300S, a Praktica Nova, lots of Zenits, a Fuji STX-2, umpteen lenses in various mounts, an Olympus mju II Zoom 80 compact, a Zeiss Ikon Contina IIIc, various filters, close up filters and tele-converters, light meters and a carrier bag full of films.
The pound shop has been good with Agfa Vista 200 and some are rumoured to stock Ferrania Colour film too, though I have yet to acquire some.
If you haven't yet got a manual for your Canon AV1 camera, this might help:
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/SLRs/av1/htmls/index.htm
Happy hunting! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
buerokratiehasser
Joined: 12 Jun 2011
Posts: 470
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
buerokratiehasser wrote:
Film type is dependent on access to development I suppose.
They force me to pay through the nose for auto-brightness-"optimized" 9x13 prints from C-41 color negative film, that will be 1+2 bucks per roll. No such thing with slide film (one buck), and the colors and exposure are not getting messed with (I get my E6 film as bad or good as the camera shot it (slide is fickle with exposure), and that's it). I also get no prints to look at without enlarging equipment. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012
Posts: 4744
Location: Cheshire, England
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
philslizzy wrote:
| Lloydy wrote: |
| ...and I struggle greatly with numbers ( I have dyscalculia ).. |
Me too but I never knew what it was called. You learn all sorts on this forum. Cheers LLoydy!! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 7788
Location: Ironbridge. UK.
Expire: 2022-01-01
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Lloydy wrote:
| philslizzy wrote: |
| Lloydy wrote: |
| ...and I struggle greatly with numbers ( I have dyscalculia ).. |
Me too but I never knew what it was called. You learn all sorts on this forum. Cheers LLoydy!! |
I only discovered I had it when I was about 45 years old, up until then I was just "thick" or "stupid"  A friend of my wifes is a specialist in learning difficulties and we were sat in a pub one night and I was telling her about my problems with numbers, and she asked if she could do some quick tests. She had her laptop in her car so I did the tests, and even allowing for being drunk I went to the extreme end of dyscalculia. What a revelation! I'd been beaten by maths teachers as a kid because they didn't understand. Now I had a name for it, and it suddenly became a whole lot easier to deal with.
Surprisingly I became an engineer, which involves a lot of number crunching etc, and I've always had photography as a hobby, but I do both without bothering with numbers. I've built a competition 4x4 from the ground up, the chassis, suspension etc is all home built and 'designed' - not one part has broken, nothing was designed on paper or using theory.
I take photographs the same way, I more or less ignore all the numbers. I learn which way the dial goes to get a higher shutter speed, ask me quickly wich is fasrt 1/30 or 1/125 and I couldn't tell you - numbers are that meaningless to me. I know which way the aperture goes to make it bigger or smaller. the important thing is that I know what I can achieve by altering each thing, I know that a large hole makes a smal DoF, and I know the downside of that. If I know the principles and theories, the numbers don't matter. After 40 or so years of using cameras I do recognize the numbers and associate them with what they actually mean to a degree, but throw 1/2 stops into the pot and I'm lost.
I just love live view!
_________________
LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
Search
Memberlist
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
