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Papapishu
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Bushwick, Brooklyn
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: Obscure Lens compatibility/quality (Angenieux and Sun) |
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Papapishu wrote:
I know this may sound like heresy, but does anyone know if Angenieux and Sun lenses would work with on an EOS mount with an adapter? There's one of each at a few thrift stores around me for like 20-30 dollars, and I'm curious.
Also, I'm reading that the Angenieux are going for mad money. Just how good WERE they, if at all? (The one I saw at the thrift store was smallish, silver and had a tiny screw on the side, forget the focal length/if it's manual or auto). Same with Sun.
Incidentally, she also sold me a mint Super Tak 85mm for like 30 bucks. I'm fairly certain she's never googled anything in her store. |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5030 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:43 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Tell us exactly where the shop is and when it is open. Then we can help you.
Actually I would just go and buy all of them and see afterwards if they are worth it .. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
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my_photography
Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2772 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:06 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
I have never own an Angenieux because of the price. I don't own Super Tak 85 because I cannot find one. You are luckly. Does the shop still have any Super Tak 85? _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:50 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Angenieux lenses were made in many mounts, most of which can be adapted to Canon, that is if it is an SLR lens, and it does sound like it is. The most common mount for these things is probably Exakta, followed by M42. Some (a few) were made in oddball mounts like Praktina and Alpa that would be difficult to adapt.
As the other responses indicate, at the prices you are talking about, the mount question is academic - and so is the question of quality. You can resell any Angenieux on ebay for much more than the asking price you mentioned.
Sun also made theirs in many mounts, and likewise most of these can be adapted to Canon. Sun is not a target for mad collectors, so resale on these is pretty low generally. $20-30 is a bit steep for most Sun lenses actually. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5076 Location: France
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
This one is in C mount and I don't know what mount it is.
http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/97567597.htm?ca=17_s
I would add that Angenieux made movie camera lenses, like this one for instance.
http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/75090293.htm?ca=17_s
Else, this 35-70mm zoom is very good and usually goes for far much on the bay :
http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/95676771.htm?ca=17_s _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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Papapishu
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Bushwick, Brooklyn
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Papapishu wrote:
Thanks guys! I'm going to go in today and pick up the lens, regardless.
Also picked up an old Pentax 50mm 1.4 for 30 bucks while I was there, as well as a Vivitar 28mm 1.9 which, sadly, I swapped because it was all kinds of broken when I got it home. She also has a 35mm and 20mm 3.8 vivitar that I'm interested in, as well as a 40mm 1.8 minolta pancake (that I can't use).
See, this is why randomly wandering through the ghetto on a bike until you hit an old antique store that isn't on google pays off; because if it's on google at least a few camera nuts have probably gone in and taken a look at everything.
I'll post pictures when I buy it; for all I know it's a bolex lens. |
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Obscure Lens compatibility/quality (Angenieux and Sun) |
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Sevo wrote:
Papapishu wrote: |
I know this may sound like heresy, but does anyone know if Angenieux and Sun lenses would work with on an EOS mount with an adapter? There's one of each at a few thrift stores around me for like 20-30 dollars, and I'm curious.
Also, I'm reading that the Angenieux are going for mad money. Just how good WERE they, if at all? |
They are and were one of the few world class video, cine and motion picture lens makers, but mostly into the smaller formats (i.e. TV, video, 8mm, 16mm and CCTV), with relatively few 35mm thrown in. Whether their lenses are good depends on the lens - Angenieux suplied or supply lenses for anything from CCTV cameras over 8mm entry level consumer cameras to some Hollywood gear.
Most oft the time the bargain bin Angenieux will be a 8mm D mount lens, which is useless for just about anything - maybe one in four or five is a CS-mount lens, for CCTV or video, rather pointless as well, as it will not focus to infinity on MFT, and usually is too low in resolution to be worth while. Occasionally you'll run across a C-mount 16mm lens, whose quality may range from mediocre on entry level 50's consumer lenses to excellent on a recent super-16 or HD video motion picture lens - the ones in the bargain bin tend towards the former more than the latter, of course (the more so as their late high end lenses tend to be big zooms which even dumb sellers tend to price higher by sheer weight), but you may find pretty decent primes from the seventies or eighties once in a while.
C-mount lenses may be usable on MFT if their rear barrel is narrow enough to fit a sunk adapter, but the coverage may not fill the MFT sensor - often you'll get corner shadowing and will have to crop the image some more. _________________ Sevo |
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
As the other responses indicate, at the prices you are talking about, the mount question is academic - and so is the question of quality. You can resell any Angenieux on ebay for much more than the asking price you mentioned.
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Only if it is a photo lens. Angenieux made a small amount of photo lenses, mostly in Alpa, Exakta or M42 mount, in the fifties, and then again a couple of Zooms in the eighties, in the then most popular SLR mounts. Either are valuable - but neither are likely to be in a bargain bin. The 8mm cine lenses you'll find there are hard to get rid off via ebay, at any price, unless they are unusually fast or wide. _________________ Sevo |
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Papapishu
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Bushwick, Brooklyn
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Papapishu wrote:
So I walked back in, asked to look at the lens.
"This one's fifty bucks".
Barrel reads : "P. Angenieux F28 1 : 3,5 Retrofocus Type R11"
Glass is in good condition. No spotting or fungus, no scratches. Apature works fine. Focusing is a little stiff and there is some mild coating seperation. Even had an old metal canon adapter on the back, so I didn't have to buy one on ebay.
"You got a good deal" she said.
Anything else you can tell me about this glass?
PS. As I was going in, past the old hentai VHS tapes and turbographix games, I saw an old Zenit 5 SLR camera sitting in the window. Worth getting? |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
You scored !
Exakta Auto-version of the later series Angenieux SLR lenses @ 1959-64
Resale would be quite good. I'd say $300 minimum, probably more. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3218 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
As you can see we ( most of us) have under the name or avatar the location.
WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED for God's sake ? |
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Papapishu
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Bushwick, Brooklyn
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Papapishu wrote:
Brooklyn, why wanna try it out?
Also, anyone know what kinda mount it takes? I wanna try this sucker out on my roomates 7d before I pick up my t2i |
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5076 Location: France
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Papapishu wrote: |
Brooklyn, why wanna try it out?
Also, anyone know what kinda mount it takes? I wanna try this sucker out on my roomates 7d before I pick up my t2i |
You'll need an Exakta to Eos adapter ring.
In your profile, you can add your location.
So far, what town is it, Brooklyn ?
(joking) _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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indianadinos
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 1310 Location: Toulouse, France
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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indianadinos wrote:
Hi,
Papapishu wrote: |
Brooklyn, why wanna try it out?
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No, i think the right question would have been instead
Which is the address of the store ?
Cheers _________________ Please visit my blogs Shooting with a Pentax K10D / FF Visions
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Pentax-K: M28/2.8, K28/3.5, M50/1.4, A50/1.7, M50/4 Macro, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, K135/2.5, M200/4, M70-150/4
Zeiss: Flektogon 20/2.8, 20/4, 35/2.4, 35/2.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Biotar 58/2, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer: Primagon 35/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Orestor 135/2.8
Schacht/Steinheil: Travenar 90/2.8, Travenon 135/4.5, Quinar 135/2.8, Quinar 135/3.5
Russian: MIR 37B, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 44M & 44M-2, Jupiter 37A
P6: Flektogon 50/4, Biometar 80/2.8, Orestor 300/4
Nikkor: Nikkor-O 35/2, Micro 55/3.5, Nikkor-S 50/1.4, Nikkor-Q 135/2.8
Fuji: EBC 28/3.5, EBC 55/3.5 Macro, EBC 135/2.5
Misc Lenses: Kiron 105/2.8 Macro, Tamron SP90/2.5
... and a few other Vivitar, Tamron, Sigma and Soligor lenses ...
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hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:36 am Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
Why you dont have buyed the whole store?
THIS would the best you could do...
Congrats ... a fine new toy you did find. Buy an EXA to EOS Adapter and enyou the Angenieux.
Cheers
Henry _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
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Papapishu
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Bushwick, Brooklyn
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Papapishu wrote:
hinnerker wrote: |
Why you dont have buyed the whole store? |
Because honestly half of the store didn't work. I had to go through 30 lenses before I came up with three gems.
Oh, and if anyone really REALLY wants to search for the store, it's in Bushwick off of two of the main roads near a subway stop. I won't say which, because there would be no fun in that. But if you find a vintage store with a loud puerto rican woman and a lot of weird shit, you've come to the right place. |
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Papapishu
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Bushwick, Brooklyn
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Papapishu wrote:
Oh, and thank you everyone. I got my T2i today, and I'm gonna see what this puppy can do. |
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Papapishu
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 38 Location: Bushwick, Brooklyn
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Papapishu wrote:
Also, what's the cheapest place to get an EXA to EOS? Ebay? |
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